Harris v. Trump

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Jellyfish don’t have a backbone, so you’ve embarrassed yourself!

[RedDwarf 1881]

That’s my point , meaning Guardian journalists don’t have backbone A right shower of snowflakes . Watching some on the left having a total meltdown and in tears is unbelievable .

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Guardian journalists do have a background though - they have qualifications in journalism or proven experience in the area they write in!

Out of interest, though - is it more proportionate to cry about a result you don’t like, or to attempt to overthrow the elected government through violence?

[RedDwarf 1881]

sh*t ….auto correct. Edited

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

So you accept that guardian journalists have a background?

[RedDwarf 1881]

Guardian journalists do have a background though - they have qualifications in journalism or proven experience in the area they write in!

Out of interest, though - is it more proportionate to cry about a result you don’t like, or to attempt to overthrow the elected government through violence?

Or pull the stunt the Democrats did by making up Russia gate to overthrow the 2016 election by falsely impeaching a democratically elected president

[Hoover Attack]

In the decades to come - if they come - our grandkids and great grandkids will be studying these events in their modern history lessons, trying to understand how they happened, and all these posts and online comments will still exist somewhere and be rolled out as evidence.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Red Dwarf is genuinely nuts

[EastDerehamO]

What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Again, there’s nothing undemocratic about being shocked or angry or upset with the result of an election.

Again, there’s only one party’s supporters that dealt with defeat by denying reality, making wild accusations, engaging in violent demonstrations, and attempting to overturn the result.

[faldO]

Again, there’s only one party’s supporters that dealt with defeat by denying reality, making wild accusations, engaging in violent demonstrations, and attempting to overturn the result.

Protests against Donald Trump’s win turn violent
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/ ... rn-violent

Clinton opens door to questioning legitimacy of 2016 election
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/18/poli ... index.html

Violence flares in Washington during Trump inauguration
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/u ... KBN1550CW/
Black-clad activists among hundreds of demonstrators protesting Donald Trump's swearing-in on Friday clashed with police a few blocks from the White House, in an outburst of violence rare for an inauguration.

[Currywurst and Chips]

I look forward to his first state visit to the Uk

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

Sigh.

“Some protesters get a bit tasty” isn’t quite “Outgoing President urges supporters to march on the Capitol building”, and “Clinton doesn’t rule out questioning legitimacy if it turns out Russian interference goes deeper than suspected” is not equivalent to Trump claiming to have won an election he lost.

It’s so, so tiresome seeing false equivalences trotted out.


Now, deal with the point: being upset about an election result is not undemocratic, is it?

[faldO]

No, being upset about an election result is not undemocratic. If Guardian journalists need a safe space in which to cry over the election of someone they don't like that's fine.

But your statement saying there's only one party's supporters who engage in violent protest is demonstrably false.

[CEB2ElectricBoogaloo]

The key part is “attempting to overthrow the election result”, and that the violence was *the point* rather than a view isolated incidents that characterise any protest anywhere

[faldO]

The key part is “attempting to overthrow the election result”, and that the violence was *the point* rather than a view isolated incidents that characterise any protest anywhere

Fair enough, if the fourth point of your list was the most important (I assume you mean overturn the election result rather than overthrow it) then I agree, no other party has acted in that way.

[Currywurst and Chips]

It took the Q-anon morons two months to start their riot.

Still plenty of time for the loony left to walk right into the trap

[faldO]

[RedDwarf 1881]

Yeah , it's catchy . Good tune .

[Adz]

The key part is “attempting to overthrow the election result”, and that the violence was *the point* rather than a view isolated incidents that characterise any protest anywhere

This is the world we live in these days. I give you a slap, you retaliate by gunning down me and my whole family. Morons out there "yeah but they were both in the wrong"

[oxo]

Guardian journalists do have a background though - they have qualifications in journalism or proven experience in the area they write in!

Out of interest, though - is it more proportionate to cry about a result you don’t like, or to attempt to overthrow the elected government through violence?

Or pull the stunt the Democrats did by making up Russia gate to overthrow the 2016 election by falsely impeaching a democratically elected president

Christ alive. If they had the power and desire to overturn an election result then he wouldn’t have just won an election. A child could follow this line of reasoning

[Currywurst and Chips]

This is the world we live in these days. I give you a slap, you retaliate by gunning down me and my whole family. Morons out there "yeah but they were both in the wrong"

Jews getting attacked because of their race and it being justified because of football fans being dicks is on the other thread

[VeganO]

What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic result.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Caoitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan.
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.

[VeganO]

What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic vote.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Caoitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan.
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.

[VeganO]

What has particularly struck me is the horror and shock felt by many at the election of Trump, both in the US and here. I’ve heard people at work saying how upset they are and that they could not believe he could have got elected again.

The only conclusion I can come to is that is because they are divorced from reality, and have little appreciation of how many Americans think and the choice they were faced with. Over 70 million voted for Trump, they know him from last time, and they also know the Democrats from this time, and they gave their verdict, and that’s democracy.

You're absolutely right of course that this is the result of a democratic vote.
What people are so upset about is that a man like Trump is President again.
He's a compulsive liar, makes grandiose promises, a narcissist & someone who regularly threatens & abuses his political opponents. Also, he's an election denier, helped to stoke up the Capitol Riots which resulted in some deaths, is a racist, abuser of women, a convicted criminal & an absolute charlatan. He's also a huge climate change denier
I fully understand why the Democrats lost & that is democracy. What is deeply worrying is the election of a man who has been called a fascist by 2 Generals & the GOP which has morphed into an extreme right religious fundamentalist Party.
Trump has for many years stoked up division & hatred & has caused chaos.
His second term, in view of his declining cognitive powers, threatens to be even more dysfunctional than his first.
His election is a worry for virtually half the USA population & for the future of democracy generally.
He has openly talked about needing no more elections if he won. Nothing is off limits for this vile, hateful man.