Labour Watch

[Long slender neck]

What cock ups?

[Proposition Joe]

I don’t think Peston is outraged in any way at all. He’s merely pointing out facts.

While you’re here, feel free to point out which parts of it are misleading.

Crickets. So predictable.

[Hoover Attack]

Dohnut must be the most consistent boarder of all time. It has got to be difficult to get it so spectacularly wrong every time. Well done sir!

Not sure why you're bothering. It's like having a debate with a whoopee cushion.

No whoopee from me. Just find it amusing at people trying to excuse/minimise the current farcical state of the Labour party. 100 days in and everything that could go wrong, has. I use the word shambles. I’m being kind. Not just my view when you look at various polls. People need to face up to the shambolic start of the Labour years. One hope is these cock-ups soften the next budget a little as they try and get some credibility back.

Starmer is just out of his depth.

Ok, I take it back, Dunnem was right.

[Hoover Attack]

Seeing as Dohnut is a bit confused, here’s a Robert Peston piece that might help put him straight on a few things here.


There seems to be significant faux outrage from Tory leadership candidates Cleverly and Tugendhat about the Starmer government's transfer of the Chagos islands to Mauritius.
Official sources tell me the transfer would have happened in materially the same
way at roughly the same time if Sunak had somehow won the election.
The point is that the transfer was being negotiated on the recent Tory government's watch - including by Cleverly as foreign secretary and then by Cameron - and the deadline was in effect set by Washington.
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If anyone in the Tory party wants to know the nitty gritty of all this, possibly they could ask for an introduction from the former minister Lord Frost - because his spouse Harriet Matthews has been the lead official negotiator for the foreign office on the Chagos treaty with Mauritius.

This is faux outrage about faux outrage...

And some of Peston's statements, like the one about Cameron, are misleading.

I'm not sensing much outrage in that article....?

[E10EU]

Is Morgan McSweeney for Starmer what Dominic Cummings was for Boris Johnson?
Both impressed their respective party leader as having the narrative to win, both determined to be the dominant advisor to the point of wanting to run the government (and the PMs being quite weak and devoid of a coherent vision and strategy).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... operations

[E10EU]

Mcsweeny seems to be quite a vicious manipulator ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_McSweeney

Seems that he has improved on his efficacy since 2015 when he ran the Labour party leadership campaign for Liz Kendall: she came last with just 4% of the vote.

[Currywurst and Chips]

[Dohnut]

What cock ups?

The ones even his own party members are talking about. The ones that have seen his popularity fall faster than any election winning PM in history. Those ones.

[Stowaway]

What cock ups?

The ones even his own party members are talking about. The ones that have seen his popularity fall faster than any election winning PM in history. Those ones.

That might be the lamest response ever on this place.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Clutching cos his Tory mates got a beating and he hasn’t got over it yet

[Hoover Attack]

Typical Politics of Envy from Mason, wanting to bring the best down to the lowest denominator instead of raising everyone up.

[RedDwarf 1881]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

[Long slender neck]

What cock ups?

The ones even his own party members are talking about. The ones that have seen his popularity fall faster than any election winning PM in history. Those ones.

Is 'NOT giving old people a yearly handout' one of them?

[Hoover Attack]

If I give dohnut £300 to replace his lost winter allowance, will he shut up?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

I mean, you could consider it a good policy to reduce Tory voters and save us some money on pensions?

[Long slender neck]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

[Dohnut]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

[Mick McQuaid]

Labour thus far. What an absolute shambles. Clueless hypocrites. 5 more years, Lord help us.

Upset at losing your winter bonus?

I’ve always believed the fuel allowance should be means tested, pensioners like me don’t need it. I gave it away to charity. Their loss not mine.

But I’m fecking upset for those thousands of old folk who are praying for a warm winter. Anybody not able to spare them a thought is as low as it gets. Listen to past Labour comments and figures. Absolute scandalous. Combine that with endless bribes and it is sickening. Especially given what they used to say about the Tories. Hypocrisy at its finest. Well done the Unions for speaking up for them.

[Mick McQuaid]

But you don't like to talk about it?

[Long slender neck]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

But the poorest pensioners will still get the allowance

[Hoover Attack]

I must confess this Labour government has shocked me . I would have never thought Labour would attack pensioners by taking away the winter fuel allowance . If we have a very cold winter resulting in a high elderly death toll there will be Hell to pay . Incidentally Labour gave away £11.6Billion to other countries for climate change and another £9Billion went on public sector pay raises . £20.6Billion right there . There's your black hole .

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

They’re not hitting the poorest,

All this whining because you’ve lost out on a measly £300 is ridiculous. Talk about selfish.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Starmer claims his uncle’s ship was torpedoed in the Falklands War making the issue of the islands personal to him

The only ship torpedoed during the war was the Belgrano

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... y-33853366

[Mick McQuaid]

Final draw for me, using the word torpedoed rather than bombed is unforgivable.

[Dohnut]

Should people not get pay rises when theres been massive inflation?

Public sector workers are ordinary people doing important jobs

No issue with pay rises. Though some are a tad generous. But helping fund these by putting the lives of the poorest pensioners at risk is a fecking disgrace. Scum. If the Tories had done that I would call them scum too.

Means test by all means. Many pensioners don’t need the allowance, many like me donate it to charity. But they are hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people, something even the Unions don’t agree with. Nor many decent Labour MPs. It’s a disgrace. And deep down we all know it.

They’re not hitting the poorest,

All this whining because you’ve lost out on a measly £300 is ridiculous. Talk about selfish.

By the same token are those richer people getting pay rises, like train drivers also selfish? They want extra so why should vulnerable pensioners get less.

By Labours own analysis a few years ago, people could die. Heat or eat. Some of the most vulnerable are impacted by this. Selfish? That is stupidity beyond belief.Has to be a wind up. Even the Unions want it changed. That decision is without doubt one of the lowest, scum laden decisions a Government has made in many a year. Labour Scum. Whilst they all have their snouts in the trough, enjoying the freebie high life, some older folk will sit and freeze. Scum. And we all know it.

[Long slender neck]

THE MOST VULNERABLE WILL STILL GET THE ALLOWANCE

SCUM Labour trying to fix the economy, taking £300 from millionaire pensioners trying to heat their big houses they bought for £5k.