Would we be better off without Martin Ling?

[Qin]

So, 23 out of 24 league 1 clubs don't have Ling as DOF, and they appear to all be doing better than us, so would we be better off without Ling?

Either a different DOF, or even no DOF. Does Ling do anything better than other DOF?
So what do you all think?

Would we be better off without Ling?

[OyinbO]

Given that fans' loyalty is being monetised to the max, it's inevitable that more will ask whether that money is being put to good use. Is he value for money?

[Long slender neck]

23 out of 24 league two clubs didnt have Ling as DOF when we won the league.

Astonishing logic.

[Loyal_Supporter]

So, 23 out of 24 league 1 clubs don't have Ling as DOF, and they appear to all be doing better than us, so would we be better off without Ling?

Either a different DOF, or even no DOF. Does Ling do anything better than other DOF?
So what do you all think?

Would we be better off without Ling?

Never thought I would EVER see Orient win 2 league titles in the space of 7 seasons so that says ML has done his job well. Loads of 'fans' forget that without understanding what goes on.

Sadly, scapegoats are needed for most of our fans. The younger ones who have joined the fan base recently think doing well is the norm at Leyton Orient. Reality check: IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

[Loyal_Supporter]

Given that fans' loyalty is being monetised to the max, it's inevitable that more will ask whether that money is being put to good use. Is he value for money?

Nigel wants a DOF and thinks ML is doing a good job in that role. End of.

[Bergen]

Our owners have been ruthless towards some of our managers (Davis, Fletcher, Jackett) and they would never have kept Ling as DOF if they didn`t think he was doing a good job.

[PKM]

What a disrespectful question and thread
2 champions as DOF
One promotion as manager.
ML is a true Leyton Orient legend.

[OyinbO]

Given that fans' loyalty is being monetised to the max, it's inevitable that more will ask whether that money is being put to good use. Is he value for money?

Nigel wants a DOF and thinks ML is doing a good job in that role. End of.

It’s not the “end of” though is it? That’s why this keeps coming up. And you might have noticed that Nigel himself is coming in for a bit of flak recently. Whether or not you think that’s justified, no-one has total authority.

Put it another way: when Nigel sells up, can you imagine new owners wanting to keep Ling on?

[Norlington Road]

I think he does a good job , but he’s far too slow , with his “due process” whatever that is, and sometimes maybe not bold enough with our signings . Sometimes you need to be a maverick , Lingy is very safe. He’s very dedicated

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I think he’s done the job he was out there for and credit to him. Lots of missed but a few crucial hits.

However, like anyone in football I think there’s a real question mark over if he’s capable of taking us to the next level in his role. Just like players and coaches, you have to look really hard at the talent needed to continue improving and replace it in order to compete. Imo ling has reached his ceiling, which is nothing to be ashamed of, but I don’t think think he has enough energy, new thinking, speed or agility (not that way) to take us to that next level

[Loyal_Supporter]

Given that fans' loyalty is being monetised to the max, it's inevitable that more will ask whether that money is being put to good use. Is he value for money?

Nigel wants a DOF and thinks ML is doing a good job in that role. End of.

It’s not the “end of” though is it? That’s why this keeps coming up. And you might have noticed that Nigel himself is coming in for a bit of flak recently. Whether or not you think that’s justified, no-one has total authority.

Put it another way: when Nigel sells up, can you imagine new owners wanting to keep Ling on?

Nigel deserves no flak whatsoever...he is funding a football club out of his own pocket even though he is losing £4m per year. In terms of ML, it would all depend on if any possible new owners lived in the UK or not.

It disgusts me that people are turning their back on the people who saved our football club.

[EliotNes]

BTT

No.

[Give it to Jabo]

what price loyalty? Ling IN

[Max B Gold]

What strikes me about criticism of ML is that it comes not only from anonymous posters but from people who know nothing about the job of identifying and bringing players to the club. Its often time consuming and complex and involves slippery agents and nefarious "go betweens".

In short, its a difficult job and whilst I don't particularly like the DoF position I can understand that we probably need it because of the residence situation of our owners.

Has ML done a good job? On balance, probably he has.

[Chief crazy horse]

What a disrespectful question and thread
2 champions as DOF
One promotion as manager.
ML is a true Leyton Orient legend.

I think you're underrating him - the man's a genius.

[Hedmans Header]

What strikes me about criticism of ML is that it comes not only from anonymous posters but from people who know nothing about the job of identifying and bringing players to the club. Its often time consuming and complex and involves slippery agents and nefarious "go betweens".

In short, its a difficult job and whilst I don't particularly like the DoF position I can understand that we probably need it because of the residence situation of our owners.

Has ML done a good job? On balance, probably he has.

Where the DOF and the transfer committee
haven’t done a good job is by sitting in the
hands and obliging a “ due diligence “
mentality whilst other clubs maybe swoop
In and the target is missed ..
I get and understand that players will rightly
pick a Birmingham, Wrexham or Huddersfield
over us as unfortunately we can’t mix it
with them ..
But for to long now and over a great many years
We have sat in the bargain bucket corridor
whilst everyone else passes thru picking
Up favourable new recruits..
As I posted previously “ Quantity over Quality”
seems to the way of the world in E10 ..

[Max B Gold]

What strikes me about criticism of ML is that it comes not only from anonymous posters but from people who know nothing about the job of identifying and bringing players to the club. Its often time consuming and complex and involves slippery agents and nefarious "go betweens".

In short, its a difficult job and whilst I don't particularly like the DoF position I can understand that we probably need it because of the residence situation of our owners.

Has ML done a good job? On balance, probably he has.

Where the DOF and the transfer committee
haven’t done a good job is by sitting in the
hands and obliging a “ due diligence “
mentality whilst other clubs maybe swoop
In and the target is missed ..
I get and understand that players will rightly
pick a Birmingham, Wrexham or Huddersfield
over us as unfortunately we can’t mix it
with them ..
But for to long now and over a great many years
We have sat in the bargain bucket corridor
whilst everyone else passes thru picking
Up favourable new recruits..
As I posted previously “ Quantity over Quality”
seems to the way of the world in E10 ..

We shop in the bargain bin for a reason. £4m of them last year.

[gshaw]

2 champions as DOF

Those were won by the talented managers who came in and turned an ailing club around. The credit for those goes to JE and RW.

The DoF presided over some appalling managerial choices in between, which seem to get brushed away (Fletcher or Embleton "the best manager the club can get") as well as the McMahon "set piece coach" nonsense last season that was destabilising the team.

On the recruitment side also add Embleton and Jackett's January transfer window shambles, plus the one this year that derailed Richie's playoff push. This summer appears to be another one with the goalkeeping debacle so hardly a glowing report card once you take that all into account.

Then you've got the academy that has a large roll call of staff but minimal output, seems to be a black hole money keeps going into.

Did Ling do a good job getting the club back on its feet... absolutely, much credit for that.

Does that mean his performance going forward can't be questioned at this level... absolutely not. Contrast to, say Peterborough who make good money from their recruitment and there's a lot of room for improvement.

[PoundhillO]

Given that fans' loyalty is being monetised to the max, it's inevitable that more will ask whether that money is being put to good use. Is he value for money?

Nigel wants a DOF and thinks ML is doing a good job in that role. End of.

It’s not the “end of” though is it? That’s why this keeps coming up. And you might have noticed that Nigel himself is coming in for a bit of flak recently. Whether or not you think that’s justified, no-one has total authority.

Put it another way: when Nigel sells up, can you imagine new owners wanting to keep Ling on?

Not a chance.

[Max B Gold]

2 champions as DOF

Those were won by the talented managers who came in and turned an ailing club around. The credit for those goes to JE and RW.

The DoF presided over some appalling managerial choices in between, which seem to get brushed away (Fletcher or Embleton "the best manager the club can get") as well as the McMahon "set piece coach" nonsense last season that was destabilising the team.

On the recruitment side also add Embleton and Jackett's January transfer window shambles, plus the one this year that derailed Richie's playoff push. This summer appears to be another one with the goalkeeping debacle so hardly a glowing report card once you take that all into account.

Then you've got the academy that has a large roll call of staff but minimal output, seems to be a black hole money keeps going into.

Did Ling do a good job getting the club back on its feet... absolutely, much credit for that.

Does that mean his performance going forward can't be questioned at this level... absolutely not. Contrast to, say Peterborough who make good money from their recruitment and there's a lot of room for improvement.

What are Peterbrough ding different that we need to learn from? Where does their money go? As far as I can see they are a yo yo club.

[o-no]

2 champions as DOF

Those were won by the talented managers who came in and turned an ailing club around. The credit for those goes to JE and RW.

The DoF presided over some appalling managerial choices in between, which seem to get brushed away (Fletcher or Embleton "the best manager the club can get") as well as the McMahon "set piece coach" nonsense last season that was destabilising the team.

On the recruitment side also add Embleton and Jackett's January transfer window shambles, plus the one this year that derailed Richie's playoff push. This summer appears to be another one with the goalkeeping debacle so hardly a glowing report card once you take that all into account.

Then you've got the academy that has a large roll call of staff but minimal output, seems to be a black hole money keeps going into.

Did Ling do a good job getting the club back on its feet... absolutely, much credit for that.

Does that mean his performance going forward can't be questioned at this level... absolutely not. Contrast to, say Peterborough who make good money from their recruitment and there's a lot of room for improvement.

What are Peterbrough ding different that we need to learn from? Where does their money go? As far as I can see they are a yo yo club.

Some of this might be nice though https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/pete ... ry-2332961

[Lifelongfan]

No. The club want a DOF. 2 titles . End of

[ChorizO]

So, 23 out of 24 league 1 clubs don't have Ling as DOF, and they appear to all be doing better than us, so would we be better off without Ling?

Either a different DOF, or even no DOF. Does Ling do anything better than other DOF?
So what do you all think?

Would we be better off without Ling?

Bizarre thinking. Truly.

[OyinbO]

It feels a bit like the less Ling does, and the less we see of him, the more people like him. That feels like a good way to resolve this.

[RedDwarf 1881]

For arguments sake , let's just say the club had twice the budget for players . What difference do you think this would make for Lingy ? Do you think he would be the same or do you think he would be able to attract better players ?