Long term plan: a theory

[The Reverend]

The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.

They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.

They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?

Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1

Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1

In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).


It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.

[Lifelongfan]

Rubbish

[The Reverend]

Rubbish

You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?

[Brigs]

I'd have been to embarrassed to
A have written that &
B pressed submit to publish it

[PoundhillO]

The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.

They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.

They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?

Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1

Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1

In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).


It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.

I think Travis is shrewd but not that stupid, if scenario B were to happen and that is a massive risk it could continue forever and fans woudnt put up with it.
There is only one answer and that is get new investors with real money to further our ambitions or stagnate or be relegated and lose a great Manager in Ritchie Wellens.

[The Reverend]

I'd have been to embarrassed to
A have written that &
B pressed submit to publish it

You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?

[Brigs]

I'd have been to embarrassed to
A have written that &
B pressed submit to publish it

You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can you between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

[Mistadobalina]

This is obviously bollox. Investors potential return relies upon us being at the highest level possible. Our losses as champions in league 2 were no less than the plodding seasons.

[Lifelongfan]

The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.

They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.

They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?

Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1

Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1

In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).


It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.

You should be embarrassed to type that tbh

[The Reverend]

I'd have been to embarrassed to
A have written that &
B pressed submit to publish it

You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can you between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

Can you repeat that in coherent English please?

[The Reverend]

The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.

They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.

They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?

Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1

Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1

In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).


It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.

You should be embarrassed to type that tbh

Calm down dear. It’s just a theory.

[Brigs]

Predictive text

You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

Can you repeat that in coherent English please?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

[The Reverend]

Predictive text

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

Can you repeat that in coherent English please?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?

[Story of O]

We would not be guaranteed to go straight back up after going down

[Brigs]

Predictive text

Can you repeat that in coherent English please?

We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?

What do you mean what is my source?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!

[gshaw]

Not quite sold on that theory but as an offshoot if you take

a) L1 wages vs L2
b) TV money L1 vs L2
c) average attendance / ST sales L1 vs L2

Which league is more "sustainable" to use an NT catchphrase with the current ground and infrastructure? Club lost £4 million last season, some of which was promotion bonuses. What will we be on track for this season I wonder?

It appears this season the purse strings have been tightened and he's hoping Richie's talent can keep this ragtag band of youth players, loans and a handful of journeymen in League 1. If it goes wrong then you have the base of a League 2 squad (though getting back up would be very tough)

[The Reverend]

Predictive text




We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.

You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.

Possibly since 2018?

How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?

What do you mean what is my source?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!

You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?

[Brigs]

How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?

What do you mean what is my source?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!

You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-season

https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.

Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024

[The Reverend]

What do you mean what is my source?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!

You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-season

https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.

Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024

Who pays those fees?

[Brigs]

You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-season

https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.

Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024

Who pays those fees?

Read the articles ,
I'm sure it'll explain it for you

[The Reverend]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-season

https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.

Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024

Who pays those fees?

Read the articles ,
I'm sure it'll explain it for you

I’ve read both. The second article says nothing about Sky paying those fees.

The first article shows that Sky show an equal number of league 1 and league 2 fixtures.

So where exactly are you basing your claim that the club would receive more from Sky in league 1 than they would in League 2?

[essexfootball]

The owners need to wake up and realise investment in players can pay more than anything else, some shrewd cheap investments in young talent from League Two, National League etc, could be worth millions in a seasons time

[Brigs]

Who pays those fees?

Read the articles ,
I'm sure it'll explain it for you

I’ve read both. The second article says nothing about Sky paying those fees.

The first article shows that Sky show an equal number of league 1 and league 2 fixtures.

So where exactly are you basing your claim that the club would receive more from Sky in league 1 than they would in League 2?

" Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024"

[Omygawd]

There’s a few too many Spen traits starting to show through…….

[RedDwarf 1881]

The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.

They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.

They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?

Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1

Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1

In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).


It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.

You should be embarrassed to type that tbh

Calm down dear. It’s just a theory.

And as theories go it's rubbish . If there was even a hint of that being a reality Richie would be away like a hare .No self respecting manager would ever tolerate such an approach .