Long term plan: a theory
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Long term plan: a theory
The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.
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I think Travis is shrewd but not that stupid, if scenario B were to happen and that is a massive risk it could continue forever and fans woudnt put up with it.The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:17 am The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.
There is only one answer and that is get new investors with real money to further our ambitions or stagnate or be relegated and lose a great Manager in Ritchie Wellens.
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Re: Long term plan: a theory
We get more money directly from Sky in League 1The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:27 amYou think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can you between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
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This is obviously bollox. Investors potential return relies upon us being at the highest level possible. Our losses as champions in league 2 were no less than the plodding seasons.
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You should be embarrassed to type that tbhThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:17 am The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.
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Can you repeat that in coherent English please?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:32 amWe get more money directly from Sky in League 1The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:27 amYou think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can you between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
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Calm down dear. It’s just a theory.Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:32 amYou should be embarrassed to type that tbhThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:17 am The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.
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We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:51 amCan you repeat that in coherent English please?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:32 amWe get more money directly from Sky in League 1The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:27 am
You think scenario A is more profitable than scenario B?
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
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How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:09 am Predictive text
We get more money directly from Sky in League 1
Your theory is beaten immediately.
You're belief that we can yoyo between L2 & L1 suggests you haven't been an Orient fan for an awful long time.
Possibly since 2018?
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What do you mean what is my source?The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:14 amHow much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!
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Re: Long term plan: a theory
Not quite sold on that theory but as an offshoot if you take
a) L1 wages vs L2
b) TV money L1 vs L2
c) average attendance / ST sales L1 vs L2
Which league is more "sustainable" to use an NT catchphrase with the current ground and infrastructure? Club lost £4 million last season, some of which was promotion bonuses. What will we be on track for this season I wonder?
It appears this season the purse strings have been tightened and he's hoping Richie's talent can keep this ragtag band of youth players, loans and a handful of journeymen in League 1. If it goes wrong then you have the base of a League 2 squad (though getting back up would be very tough)
a) L1 wages vs L2
b) TV money L1 vs L2
c) average attendance / ST sales L1 vs L2
Which league is more "sustainable" to use an NT catchphrase with the current ground and infrastructure? Club lost £4 million last season, some of which was promotion bonuses. What will we be on track for this season I wonder?
It appears this season the purse strings have been tightened and he's hoping Richie's talent can keep this ragtag band of youth players, loans and a handful of journeymen in League 1. If it goes wrong then you have the base of a League 2 squad (though getting back up would be very tough)
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You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:28 amWhat do you mean what is my source?The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:14 amHow much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-seasonThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:03 pmYou’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:28 amWhat do you mean what is my source?The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:14 am
How much more money do we get from Sky in League 1 than League 2? What is your source for that?
It's been the talk of football since the deal was done!
https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.
Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024
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Who pays those fees?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:12 pmhttps://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-seasonThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:03 pmYou’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?
https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.
Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024
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Read the articles ,The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:17 pmWho pays those fees?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:12 pmhttps://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-seasonThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:03 pm
You’ve just confidently stated that the club would received more from Sky in league 1 than in league 2. What is your source for this claim?
https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.
Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024
I'm sure it'll explain it for you
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I’ve read both. The second article says nothing about Sky paying those fees.Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:18 pmRead the articles ,The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:17 pmWho pays those fees?Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:12 pm
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... per-season
https://www.90min.com/posts/league-two- ... 20division.
Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024
I'm sure it'll explain it for you
The first article shows that Sky show an equal number of league 1 and league 2 fixtures.
So where exactly are you basing your claim that the club would receive more from Sky in league 1 than they would in League 2?
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The owners need to wake up and realise investment in players can pay more than anything else, some shrewd cheap investments in young talent from League Two, National League etc, could be worth millions in a seasons time
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" Every League Two side is given a base fee of £472,000 no matter where they finish, as well as a £430,000 solidarity payment from the Premier League. However, promotion to League One brings huge financial benefits, with those figures rising to £677,000 and £642,000 in the third division.14 May 2024"The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 12:22 pmI’ve read both. The second article says nothing about Sky paying those fees.
The first article shows that Sky show an equal number of league 1 and league 2 fixtures.
So where exactly are you basing your claim that the club would receive more from Sky in league 1 than they would in League 2?
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And as theories go it's rubbish . If there was even a hint of that being a reality Richie would be away like a hare .No self respecting manager would ever tolerate such an approach .The Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:52 amCalm down dear. It’s just a theory.Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:32 amYou should be embarrassed to type that tbhThe Reverend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2024 10:17 am The owners are shrewd. Travis knows football.
They have realised that financially they are never going to be able to mount a serious challenge in League 1. They also know that a couple of seasons plodding along in the bottom half of the table will result in attendances dropping.
They much preferred the days when we were challenging for titles (Conference & League 2), when the ground was sold out and merchandise was flying out of the shop. Realising that the club won’t be able to repeat this in league 1 they have decided that dropping back down to League 2 then mounting another title challenge will be much more profitable in the long run. Think an about it, what is more profitable?
Scenario A: Three seasons consecutively finishing 16-20th in league 1
Scenario B: season 1 = Relegated from League 1. Season 2 = win league 2, Season 3 = “back” in league 1
In scenario B season 1 will make the same amount of money as season 1 in scenario A. Season 2 in scenario B much more profitable than season 2 in scenario A, as would season 3 be (the “feel good” factor of being “back” in league 1).
It explains why we are relying exclusively on sub-par loanee signings, freebies and seriously considering putting a conference standard GK into our starting XI.