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Re: RW: "We were the better team"

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Chief crazy horse wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:57 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:26 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:28 pm Good interview. He essentially dispelled any rumours to go to Blackpool, called out hemmings and was bold enough to drop James when he ain’t putting enough effort in.

Love him
We all love Richie . He's one of the best managers this club has ever had but I feel the club is letting him down with inadequate transfer budget . There is only so far you can go on freebies's and young loan players .
What makes you think 'we all love him'? And you also say, 'one of the best managers we've ever had'......I think you're getting a bit carried away.
On win rate % I believe he was right up there. In modern times 90's on the only managers with a promotion or title are Ling, Edinburgh and Wellens.

Sadly we will never know how far JE could've took us, I think him and Richie share many similar qualities and I regard both very highly.
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Re: RW: "We were the better team"

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Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:36 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:26 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:28 pm Good interview. He essentially dispelled any rumours to go to Blackpool, called out hemmings and was bold enough to drop James when he ain’t putting enough effort in.

Love him
We all love Richie . He's one of the best managers this club has ever had but I feel the club is letting him down with inadequate transfer budget . There is only so far you can go on freebies's and young loan players .
Agree but from that interview Richie doesn’t think that he’s taken us as far as he can
I think that was backpedalling after saying he'd really love to manage a big club.
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Long slender neck wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 8:43 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:36 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:26 pm

We all love Richie . He's one of the best managers this club has ever had but I feel the club is letting him down with inadequate transfer budget . There is only so far you can go on freebies's and young loan players .
Agree but from that interview Richie doesn’t think that he’s taken us as far as he can
I think that was backpedalling after saying he'd really love to manage a big club.
Not sure any league one manager wouldn’t want to manage a big club?
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Chief crazy horse wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:57 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:26 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:28 pm Good interview. He essentially dispelled any rumours to go to Blackpool, called out hemmings and was bold enough to drop James when he ain’t putting enough effort in.

Love him
We all love Richie . He's one of the best managers this club has ever had but I feel the club is letting him down with inadequate transfer budget . There is only so far you can go on freebies's and young loan players .
What makes you think 'we all love him'? And you also say, 'one of the best managers we've ever had'......I think you're getting a bit carried away.
How many managers have won a league title at Orient apart from JE.
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Proposition Joe wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:07 pm Gotta wonder what Jaiyesemi, Warrington and Perkins think when he so openly says our bench is sh!t.
If they had the right attitude they’d be thinking they’ve got to put the work in.
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Monkey Boy wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:05 pm The goalkeeper is a liability at the moment and Kelman is no target man, Alfie May demonstrated how to lead the line even if your not very big, Kelman is better out wide cutting in. Dan A is better out wide. We definitely have a problem, we need imo a keeper,left back and a decent target man. Why we have we given Pratley,Beckles Theo new contracts, why keep Graham and Sweeney? At this point the kid from spuds looks out of his depth playing against more physical players and if I had a pound for every time Sweeney passed backwardsi would be every rich. If your defence has no confidence in it’s keeper your beaten before you start. Worrying times. However Birmingham played good football and will finish in the top two
That's what's annoying . Birmingham did play good football but apart from our kamikaze keeper I thought we matched them like we did against Bolton . Thanks to Hemming we're now bolton of the league . Something has got to be done before the transfer window closes .
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There isn't a lot wrong with the team IMHO. We need to sign a decent keeper the first few games have shown us that. It would be best all round if we came to an agreement to let him go back to Boro if at all possible. I understand Simon Royce is involved with identifying keepers that come in and Brynn was very decent last year but this guy has been beyond poor.

We need a striker and a couple of others to come before the window closes that's for sure and experience is clearly required.

What I don't get with RW is that he's singled out and publicly laid into Tom James for his performance at Charlton, despite lacking a bit of pace for me he's a decent right back but if you have moved him to play out of position at left back seems harsh to criticise, I never thought for one second he was the weak link at the Valley and replacing him with "sideways and backwards" Sweeney certainly wasn't an upgrade.
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:07 pm There isn't a lot wrong with the team IMHO. We need to sign a decent keeper the first few games have shown us that. It would be best all round if we came to an agreement to let him go back to Boro if at all possible. I understand Simon Royce is involved with identifying keepers that come in and Brynn was very decent last year but this guy has been beyond poor.

We need a striker and a couple of others to come before the window closes that's for sure and experience is clearly required.

What I don't get with RW is that he's singled out and publicly laid into Tom James for his performance at Charlton, despite lacking a bit of pace for me he's a decent right back but if you have moved him to play out of position at left back seems harsh to criticise, I never thought for one second he was the weak link at the Valley and replacing him with "sideways and backwards" Sweeney certainly wasn't an upgrade.
The truth is Tom James , our RB is better at LB than Sweeney is . A new LB is needed
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:07 pm There isn't a lot wrong with the team IMHO. We need to sign a decent keeper the first few games have shown us that. It would be best all round if we came to an agreement to let him go back to Boro if at all possible. I understand Simon Royce is involved with identifying keepers that come in and Brynn was very decent last year but this guy has been beyond poor.

We need a striker and a couple of others to come before the window closes that's for sure and experience is clearly required.

What I don't get with RW is that he's singled out and publicly laid into Tom James for his performance at Charlton, despite lacking a bit of pace for me he's a decent right back but if you have moved him to play out of position at left back seems harsh to criticise, I never thought for one second he was the weak link at the Valley and replacing him with "sideways and backwards" Sweeney certainly wasn't an upgrade.
Brynn, decent? Another poor keeper who seemed to get given a lot of slack. There was a good analysis on the other forum showing his stats, never won us many games with saves but also chucked a number of goals in, granted not Hemming level but still a downgrade on Vigoroux.

The squad would be OK with 3 quality signings GK, LB, experienced CM (think the boat has gone for a striker and we've cheaped out with Perkins which is poor). The crazy thing is it's the same list that was mentioned at the start of summer, make of that what you will.
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Makes you wonder if the board have any ambition beyond staying in L1 as cheaply as possible.
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So three games now and we have supposedly been the better team in in every game yet we have no points on the board. Does the goalkeeper deserve to be dropped? Yes he does. Is Sweeney a good left back for this division? No, he is not. Are we weak on our left side? Yes we are. Do we have a decent centre forward or target man? No we haven’t. Richie says we need a right winger which proves to me is Graham isn’t fit no he is not. Will he ever be fit,no he won’t. Why did we sign him, why did we resign Beccles? Why did we resign Pratley. was Kilman playing better on the right? Yes he was,did Dan A play better wide yes he did,have the board let Richie down yes they have.is the new right back good enough,I think he is improving game by game. why is Donnelly in the side at the moment because in my opinion he’s not up to speed,why did we resign James if he has a problem with his attitude and fitness according to Richie? we need a new goalkeeper because this guy isn’t getting any better for awhile we need a new left back because we are weak in that position and we need a new target man,are we going to get any of these? We might get one if we are lucky, probably, at 5 to midnight on deadline day again if we are lucky.
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Don’t think we necessarily need a target man with the way Ritchie plays. Another forward would be useful as we’ve yet to see anything from Perkins.
I think the criticism of Sweeney is harsh & that he will get better.
Agree re Graham, a poor signing as his history, unfortunately, is one of injuries. If we get 12-15 games out of him this season probably doing well.
But the No 1 presssing problem is we need a new goalie this week, this is a situation that we simply can’t afford to let go on any longer.
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Monkey Boy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:02 am So three games now and we have supposedly been the better team in in every game yet we have no points on the board. Does the goalkeeper deserve to be dropped? Yes he does. Is Sweeney a good left back for this division? No, he is not. Are we weak on our left side? Yes we are. Do we have a decent centre forward or target man? No we haven’t. Richie says we need a right winger which proves to me is Graham isn’t fit no he is not. Will he ever be fit,no he won’t. Why did we sign him, why did we resign Beccles? Why did we resign Pratley. was Kilman playing better on the right? Yes he was,did Dan A play better wide yes he did,have the board let Richie down yes they have.is the new right back good enough,I think he is improving game by game. why is Donnelly in the side at the moment because in my opinion he’s not up to speed,why did we resign James if he has a problem with his attitude and fitness according to Richie? we need a new goalkeeper because this guy isn’t getting any better for awhile we need a new left back because we are weak in that position and we need a new target man,are we going to get any of these? We might get one if we are lucky, probably, at 5 to midnight on deadline day again if we are lucky.
Did you notice how a load of Birmingham attacks were coming down our left hand side . It was almost as if Birmingham identified Sweeney as our weakness . Both of Birmingham goals looked similar with Players going around Hemming to our left .
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PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:45 am Don’t think we necessarily need a target man with the way Ritchie plays. Another forward would be useful as we’ve yet to see anything from Perkins.
I think the criticism of Sweeney is harsh & that he will get better.
Agree re Graham, a poor signing as his history, unfortunately, is one of injuries. If we get 12-15 games out of him this season probably doing well.
But the No 1 presssing problem is we need a new goalie this week, this is a situation that we simply can’t afford to let go on any longer.
Bit early to criticise Perkins who has had little game time so far………..maybe he’ll start tomorrow at Millwall.
Graham is a worry, on his day he’s our best wide man, but he’s spending too many days injured unfortunately.
The Goalkeeper situation is something that MUST be sorted out this week.
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Cheshunto wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:57 am
PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:45 am Don’t think we necessarily need a target man with the way Ritchie plays. Another forward would be useful as we’ve yet to see anything from Perkins.
I think the criticism of Sweeney is harsh & that he will get better.
Agree re Graham, a poor signing as his history, unfortunately, is one of injuries. If we get 12-15 games out of him this season probably doing well.
But the No 1 presssing problem is we need a new goalie this week, this is a situation that we simply can’t afford to let go on any longer.
Bit early to criticise Perkins who has had little game time so far………..maybe he’ll start tomorrow at Millwall.
Graham is a worry, on his day he’s our best wide man, but he’s spending too many days injured unfortunately.
The Goalkeeper situation is something that MUST be sorted out this week.
Re Perkins, yes, you are right. Last season Shaq didn’t exactly hit the ground running, RW developed and introduced Shaq over a period of time. So it’s too early to say re Perkins. I still do feel another forward would be more than useful with the high & intense press that RW likes. Maybe DJ can do that role, have to see.
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PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:05 am
Cheshunto wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:57 am
PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:45 am Don’t think we necessarily need a target man with the way Ritchie plays. Another forward would be useful as we’ve yet to see anything from Perkins.
I think the criticism of Sweeney is harsh & that he will get better.
Agree re Graham, a poor signing as his history, unfortunately, is one of injuries. If we get 12-15 games out of him this season probably doing well.
But the No 1 presssing problem is we need a new goalie this week, this is a situation that we simply can’t afford to let go on any longer.
Bit early to criticise Perkins who has had little game time so far………..maybe he’ll start tomorrow at Millwall.
Graham is a worry, on his day he’s our best wide man, but he’s spending too many days injured unfortunately.
The Goalkeeper situation is something that MUST be sorted out this week.
Re Perkins, yes, you are right. Last season Shaq didn’t exactly hit the ground running, RW developed and introduced Shaq over a period of time. So it’s too early to say re Perkins. I still do feel another forward would be more than useful with the high & intense press that RW likes. Maybe DJ can do that role, have to see.
I thought our pressing was excellent on Saturday, and it forced the Birmingham keeper into a mistake but it does take a lot out of the front players. I think we may see another forward coming this week.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 9:04 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:57 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:26 pm

We all love Richie . He's one of the best managers this club has ever had but I feel the club is letting him down with inadequate transfer budget . There is only so far you can go on freebies's and young loan players .
What makes you think 'we all love him'? And you also say, 'one of the best managers we've ever had'......I think you're getting a bit carried away.
How many managers have won a league title at Orient apart from JE.
And Edinburgh’s was in non-league
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PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:05 am I still do feel another forward would be more than useful with the high & intense press that RW likes. Maybe DJ can do that role, have to see.
In his Millwall preview video he mentions wanting the subs to come in and sprint, that's particularly fitting for DJ who thus far doesn't seem to have broken out of a canter
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PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:54 am Makes you wonder if the board have any ambition beyond staying in L1 as cheaply as possible.
It may well be the boards ambition but I believe that casual attenders and a lot of home fans both season ticket holders and non season ticket holders will stop attending home games if the slump continues.
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gshaw wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:52 am
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:07 pm There isn't a lot wrong with the team IMHO. We need to sign a decent keeper the first few games have shown us that. It would be best all round if we came to an agreement to let him go back to Boro if at all possible. I understand Simon Royce is involved with identifying keepers that come in and Brynn was very decent last year but this guy has been beyond poor.

We need a striker and a couple of others to come before the window closes that's for sure and experience is clearly required.

What I don't get with RW is that he's singled out and publicly laid into Tom James for his performance at Charlton, despite lacking a bit of pace for me he's a decent right back but if you have moved him to play out of position at left back seems harsh to criticise, I never thought for one second he was the weak link at the Valley and replacing him with "sideways and backwards" Sweeney certainly wasn't an upgrade.
Brynn, decent? Another poor keeper who seemed to get given a lot of slack. There was a good analysis on the other forum showing his stats, never won us many games with saves but also chucked a number of goals in, granted not Hemming level but still a downgrade on Vigoroux.

The squad would be OK with 3 quality signings GK, LB, experienced CM (think the boat has gone for a striker and we've cheaped out with Perkins which is poor). The crazy thing is it's the same list that was mentioned at the start of summer, make of that what you will.
Not a chance of making 3 signings this side of January, even then will be doubtful.
We have what we have and have to make the most of it!
Will RW be here until then? If only I had a crystal ball.
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gshaw wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:36 pm
PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:05 am I still do feel another forward would be more than useful with the high & intense press that RW likes. Maybe DJ can do that role, have to see.
In his Millwall preview video he mentions wanting the subs to come in and sprint, that's particularly fitting for DJ who thus far doesn't seem to have broken out of a canter
He also said our subs made no impact, well they won’t if they come on with 3 minutes to go
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gshaw wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 8:52 am
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 11:07 pm There isn't a lot wrong with the team IMHO. We need to sign a decent keeper the first few games have shown us that. It would be best all round if we came to an agreement to let him go back to Boro if at all possible. I understand Simon Royce is involved with identifying keepers that come in and Brynn was very decent last year but this guy has been beyond poor.

We need a striker and a couple of others to come before the window closes that's for sure and experience is clearly required.

What I don't get with RW is that he's singled out and publicly laid into Tom James for his performance at Charlton, despite lacking a bit of pace for me he's a decent right back but if you have moved him to play out of position at left back seems harsh to criticise, I never thought for one second he was the weak link at the Valley and replacing him with "sideways and backwards" Sweeney certainly wasn't an upgrade.
Brynn, decent?
Yep made a couple of errors through the season but all keepers make the occasional mistake. But I would have expected a negative comment from you.
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Long slender neck wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:11 pm I think he comes across as frustrated by little leyton orient, hasnt got the mentality, money or squad he wants. Wouldnt blame him if he moved onto bigger things.
I'm not so sure Wellens could handle bigger things.
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Story of O wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 2:57 pm
gshaw wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 1:36 pm
PKM wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 10:05 am I still do feel another forward would be more than useful with the high & intense press that RW likes. Maybe DJ can do that role, have to see.
In his Millwall preview video he mentions wanting the subs to come in and sprint, that's particularly fitting for DJ who thus far doesn't seem to have broken out of a canter
He also said our subs made no impact, well they won’t if they come on with 3 minutes to go
My interpretation of that is the guys on the bench aren’t doing enough in training either. If he felt they were going to make an impact he would bring them on earlier. Dan easily got twenty minutes Saturday and got involved.

DJ looks heavy and slow to me and Perkins has done very little. The only thing I can recall him doing is giving Galbraith a hospital ball against Bolton.

I’m showing my age but when Gazza came through for England, Robson said they needed two balls. One for Gazza and one for the rest of the team. It’s very early days but they aren’t exactly giving RW a selection headache.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:54 am
Monkey Boy wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:02 am So three games now and we have supposedly been the better team in in every game yet we have no points on the board. Does the goalkeeper deserve to be dropped? Yes he does. Is Sweeney a good left back for this division? No, he is not. Are we weak on our left side? Yes we are. Do we have a decent centre forward or target man? No we haven’t. Richie says we need a right winger which proves to me is Graham isn’t fit no he is not. Will he ever be fit,no he won’t. Why did we sign him, why did we resign Beccles? Why did we resign Pratley. was Kilman playing better on the right? Yes he was,did Dan A play better wide yes he did,have the board let Richie down yes they have.is the new right back good enough,I think he is improving game by game. why is Donnelly in the side at the moment because in my opinion he’s not up to speed,why did we resign James if he has a problem with his attitude and fitness according to Richie? we need a new goalkeeper because this guy isn’t getting any better for awhile we need a new left back because we are weak in that position and we need a new target man,are we going to get any of these? We might get one if we are lucky, probably, at 5 to midnight on deadline day again if we are lucky.
Did you notice how a load of Birmingham attacks were coming down our left hand side . It was almost as if Birmingham identified Sweeney as our weakness . Both of Birmingham goals looked similar with Players going around Hemming to our left .
And yet neither of their goals were down to targeting him
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