Embleton comparisons

[OyinbO]

As a manager, he reminds me a bit of Kevin Keegan - passion, energy, enthusiasm, all successfully conveyed to and expressed by the team. A swashbuckling, high-tempo "we'll score more goals than you" attitude, that will lead to some entertaining and thrilling matches, even in defeat.

But there will be defeat. Keegan wasn't really an organiser, and his sides were often caught out over-reaching themselves. And when things did go wrong for them, you often got the sense that he didn't really have any other plans. His teams tended to lack structure and patience, and didn't really have a change of gear.

Or is that Ross? Now I read that back, I can't be sure...

[Lovejoy]

Did Keegan's teams ever shut up shop and protect a slender lead? Ross's seems to do this.

[OyinbO]

When? The only one you could argue he did this successfully in the first match of the season, which we did win narrowly - but we were chasing more against 9 men at the end. Not exactly "shutting up shop"

[RedDwarf 1881]

I have to admit it was a very entertaining game yesterday but after all the club has been through these past five or six years I just want us to get enough points to be safe ASAP. If that means being a bit boring and negative to win enough points to stay up, so be it.

[O my gawd]

He needs time to grow in the job. He will make mistakes along the way but ultimately players win & lose you games.
Score v Stevenage & manage the game differently yesterday & we'd be comfortably be top of the league. That's the fine margins in this league. I still don't think there is a huge difference in quality between this league & the NL.
The squad is probably good enough, remember Big players like Turley, McAnuff & Dayton are missing & Widdowson was clearly missed yesterday as well. Time for some of the clearly talented ones like Clay, Ekpiteta, JMD & Brophy to show consistency.

[OyinbO]

I have to admit it was a very entertaining game yesterday but after all the club has been through these past five or six years I just want us to get enough points to be safe ASAP. If that means being a bit boring and negative to win enough points to stay up, so be it.

We're not getting relegated. You have to be an absolute basket case to drop out of this league.

We have a top 7 squad which, had Edinburgh still been in charge, would finish in the top 7 (and maybe even the top 3). Embleton will have us in mid-table, and most of us will be perfectly satisfied with that. To be honest, I think after the year we've just had, a nice quiet season with the only drama being within individual matches might be what the club needs as it catches breath.

[Sid Bishop]

As a manager, he reminds me a bit of Kevin Keegan - passion, energy, enthusiasm, all successfully conveyed to and expressed by the team. A swashbuckling, high-tempo "we'll score more goals than you" attitude, that will lead to some entertaining and thrilling matches, even in defeat.

But there will be defeat. Keegan wasn't really an organiser, and his sides were often caught out over-reaching themselves. And when things did go wrong for them, you often got the sense that he didn't really have any other plans. His teams tended to lack structure and patience, and didn't really have a change of gear.

Or is that Ross? Now I read that back, I can't be sure...

Keegan and Ross, two football managers Kevin a famous player and before going into football management had a wealth of experience gained by playing for big and successful football clubs and then moved into management at Newcastle in 1992, winning promotion as First Division champions. Newcastle then finished second in the Premier League in 1995–96, after leading for most of the season. After he left Newcastle he went on to manage Division 2 Fulham and in season 1998–99 Fulham clinched the Division Two title and promotion to Division One, but Keegan left at the end of the season to concentrate on his duties as England manager, having succeeded Glenn Hoddle in February 1999. All in all, Kevin and Ross ,very little comparison to me in playing careers or level of football management skills. Also where was all the flair and attacking style in the first 4 games we played ?

[OyinbO]

All in all, Kevin and Ross ,very little comparison to me in playing careers or level of football management skills.

Sid, you quite literally just compared the two to one another.

If you mean there are few similarities in terms of their playing careers, yeah obvs.

I'm trying (only partly seriously) to compare them stylistically, and say that those two styles/approaches (nowadays known as "philosophies") are quite similar. As are their limitations.

[gshaw]

I have to admit it was a very entertaining game yesterday but after all the club has been through these past five or six years I just want us to get enough points to be safe ASAP. If that means being a bit boring and negative to win enough points to stay up, so be it.

The boring and negative got us 1 goal until Tuesday night. Thought we played the game the right way yesterday but didn't manage it well at 2-1. That's where a bit of inexperience / naivety shows through I think.

The phase "too good to go down" has been heard on this forum before. Respect the league and the opposition, we have no divine entitlement to stay up this season so have to go out and earn it, not assume there will definitely be someone worse.

Personally I see Ross more of a Mike Phelan or Carlos Quieroz personality. Excellent coach and part of a winning management team but the top job is a bit too much of a stretch. Time will tell.

[OyinbO]

The phase "too good to go down" has been heard on this forum before. Respect the league and the opposition, we have no divine entitlement to stay up this season so have to go out and earn it, not assume there will definitely be someone worse.

In more than 3 decades since promotion from the Conference became an annual and regular thing, the number of promoted clubs that have gone straight back down again = ZERO

Orient ain't gonna be the first.

[gshaw]

The phase "too good to go down" has been heard on this forum before. Respect the league and the opposition, we have no divine entitlement to stay up this season so have to go out and earn it, not assume there will definitely be someone worse.

In more than 3 decades since promotion from the Conference became an annual and regular thing, the number of promoted clubs that have gone straight back down again = ZERO

Orient ain't gonna be the first.

That's precisely what would concern me

[CreamofSumYungGai]

I have to admit it was a very entertaining game yesterday but after all the club has been through these past five or six years I just want us to get enough points to be safe ASAP. If that means being a bit boring and negative to win enough points to stay up, so be it.

We're not getting relegated. You have to be an absolute basket case to drop out of this league.

We have a top 7 squad which, had Edinburgh still been in charge, would finish in the top 7 (and maybe even the top 3). Embleton will have us in mid-table, and most of us will be perfectly satisfied with that. To be honest, I think after the year we've just had, a nice quiet season with the only drama being within individual matches might be what the club needs as it catches breath.

Fair assessment.

I would argue that although the squad is top 7-10, the first choice 11 is top 3.

[Sid Bishop]

I think RE needs to first establish himself as a good manager before these similarities are made between himself and any other managers that anyone chooses to pick. When and IF that ever happens, well a harmless enough thing to do, but until that time, a bit similar to what Captain Mainwaring used to say to Corporal Jones when his fanciful suggestions were soundly refuted by a curt "I think you're wandering into the realms of fantasy, Jones."