To Serve and Protect

[Proposition Joe]

I mean, genuinely astonished that some people seem to think that a) not wanting the Police to arbitrarily kick the sh*t out of people while also b) wanting them to respond to (and maybe even solve!) a crime if I were a victim is some kind of moon on a stick position to hold.

[Sid Bishop]

Preposterous Joe:-Even the GMP aren't claiming a female officer had her jaw broken so why are you spreading that apparent misinformation?

Oh sorry! The Guardian reporting only her nose was broken. I guess that's OK then PJ? I note that you are supporting geezers are so 'ard that they attack a woman.

These same people who are putting down the police would be the very first to welcome the help of the police if they were being threatened or attacked by violent criminals, especially if the offenders were carrying knives or guns.

Amazing that you can't criticise the Police for using a prone, restrained man's head as a football if you ever want them to just do their job in another situation. Didn't realise it was either/or.

What about sometimes given some praise to the police ? Who would even want to do their job nowadays, especially when on duty in some of the most crime ridden inner city ares of the UK where you are at risk of being beaten up, stabbed or even shot whilst going about your normal duties. Seems to me that being a police officer is not a job many would like to do, certainly not for me. Without any police force we might become something like some of the third world countries where the army would go out on the streets controlling the mobs of looters and rioters by means of shooting them.

[Proposition Joe]

What does that have to do with anything being discussed?

[Sid Bishop]

What does that have to do with anything being discussed?

You and some others on this forum seem to have an intense dislike for the police, so that is in its worst circumstances is the worst alternative.

[The Mindsweep]

ACAB

[J1MB0B]

ACAB

How comes?

[Proposition Joe]

What does that have to do with anything being discussed?

You and some others on this forum seem to have an intense dislike for the police, so that is in its worst circumstances is the worst alternative.

What does that even mean?

[Friend or fart]

Preposterous Joe:- This is a complex story and I feel sure that none of us are in possession of the full facts. You were quick to pull me up on mis-reported facts. But a lady had her nose broken by one of these guys. There was a previous altercation that doesn't seem to have any filmed footage. There does seem to be evidence that some of these guys tried to remove the weapons of the armed police. That in itself is a cause for concern. It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason. Nobody on here can claim to be in full possession of the facts. You seem along with Maxy ( your alter-ego?), to be quick to criticise British Police. Who have a difficult job to do. One was seriously stabbed in a prison this week. If you don't like our Police, why not emigrate to Iran, and see how you get on with their law and order. [ Probably wasting my time trying to reason with a somewhat aggressive troll]

[Proposition Joe]

"If you don't like the Police kicking people in the head, why don't you emigrate to Iran?"

So many times on this Board I've given you the benefit of doubt and believed you might be able to have an adult conversation. I have been proved wrong every time. Imagine we'll get more posts of this nature now school holidays have started.

[Long slender neck]

Thats excellent, we have a new boardin meme.

[Adz]

It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.

What would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?

[Dunners]

It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.

What would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?

If you absolutely must kick and stamp on someone's head, that's probably the best time to do it. Otherwise they might kick and stamp back.

[Adz]

It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason.

What would a good reason be to kick and stamp on someone's head lying tasered and prone on the floor?

If you absolutely must kick and stamp on someone's head, that's probably the best time to do it. Otherwise they might kick and stamp back.

I guess it's impossible not to kick and stamp on someone's head when the opportunity arises, so maybe the solution is to swap out the police jackboots for plimsolls

[Sid Bishop]

Preposterous Joe:- This is a complex story and I feel sure that none of us are in possession of the full facts. You were quick to pull me up on mis-reported facts. But a lady had her nose broken by one of these guys. There was a previous altercation that doesn't seem to have any filmed footage. There does seem to be evidence that some of these guys tried to remove the weapons of the armed police. That in itself is a cause for concern. It does seem that the officer giving out the kicking, over-reacted. But he may well have had good reason. Nobody on here can claim to be in full possession of the facts. You seem along with Maxy ( your alter-ego?), to be quick to criticise British Police. Who have a difficult job to do. One was seriously stabbed in a prison this week. If you don't like our Police, why not emigrate to Iran, and see how you get on with their law and order. [ Probably wasting my time trying to reason with a somewhat aggressive troll]

In Uk, seems that some people in certain areas of this country hate any form of law enforcement plus a hatred of anyone in the armed forces, thus leaving the barracks in your service uniform is nowadays akin to having a target on your back. My Father was a proud member of the British army and like many other British men was in the British army from 1939 till 1945. He was proud to wear his uniform and was a also member of the territorial army from 1935. Without our armed services to defend us, the UK as we know it now would not exist.

[Proposition Joe]

What does your Dad serving in the army have to do with the Police kicking this guy's head in?

[ContrifibulatoryFred]

Be fair Joe, Sid Bishop was merely lamenting the fact that the police and military are held in such low esteem by the wider population - which I think was a fair comment.

[Proposition Joe]

I think that's a generous assessment of the above post but happy to leave it/agree to disagree.

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

I think the majority of people think the police have unenviable task and we wouldn't like to be in their shoes. They are obviously going to suffer abuse and physical violence on occasions. It's a bit rich to expect them to smile nicely and not react when this occurs. Personally I have no issue if they give a smack back when assaulted, particularly if a female colleague has had her nose broken. That said and not knowing the full facts, it does appear that police have stepped over the mark as to what is reasonable. Personally I believe police are human and are entitled to react when assaulted, however they need to react in an appropriate manner and not become clones of those they are there to protect us from.

[Max B Gold]

I think the majority of people think the police have unenviable task and we wouldn't like to be in their shoes. They are obviously going to suffer abuse and physical violence on occasions. It's a bit rich to expect them to smile nicely and not react when this occurs. Personally I have no issue if they give a smack back when assaulted, particularly if a female colleague has had her nose broken. That said and not knowing the full facts, it does appear that police have stepped over the mark as to what is reasonable. Personally I believe police are human and are entitled to react when assaulted, however they need to react in an appropriate manner and not become clones of those they are there to protect us from.

The police are public servants and are accountable to the communities they protect and serve.

They have powers to use reasonable force under the law to protect themselves and the public. That is not what happened with this vicious life threatening series of assaults.

[Dunners]

Yeah. I've watched and rewatched the footage in an effort to come up with some contrived contrarian viewpoint just to wind up the board's cranks, but even I'm wincing at the head stamping/kicking bit.

[Max B Gold]

Yeah. I've watched and rewatched the footage in an effort to come up with some contrived contrarian viewpoint just to wind up the board's cranks, but even I'm wincing at the head stamping/kicking bit.

It's a unique win for us cranks when a far right Boarder 100% fails to find an argument to justify a serious assault on a member of the public by an out of control police person.

[Dunners]

Yeah. I've watched and rewatched the footage in an effort to come up with some contrived contrarian viewpoint just to wind up the board's cranks, but even I'm wincing at the head stamping/kicking bit.

It's a unique win for us cranks when a far right Boarder 100% fails to find an argument to justify a serious assault on a member of the public by an out of control police person.

Fear not. I'm sure this rare moment of agreement wont last long. We both have our reputations to uphold.

[Sid Bishop]

What does your Dad serving in the army have to do with the Police kicking this guy's head in?

Witness how ordinary men and women of the armed services used to be held in respect as to what personal sacrifices they had made in order to protect this Country. Nowadays if they leave the barracks wearing their service uniform, chances are they will end up being attacked by certain members of the community who intensively dislike the UK and all it stands for. Police have a very hard job to do and again are an open target to be attacked in one way or another. Little notice is taken on this on this forum when servicemen or police are attacked, killed or wounded in the course of their duty but of course much made of it when it seems like the police have stepped out of line. This latest incident has still got to be fully investigated before full conclusions can finalized as to the lead up to this happening.

[Proposition Joe]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crglwd8nx62o

Stealing from a dead man. Classy.

[Dunners]

WTF?