It Seems We Cannot Compete...........

[gshaw]

The (lack of) reward at Championship is an interesting one in context of our investors. On one hand perhaps the thing that would allow them to cash out is the asset of a side one season from the promised land of the Prem riches. On the other hand there's the losses you mention.

So question is if the ground we need to become sustainable will cost 30 million+ and the losses could be 10-20 million a season what are they aiming to do? Or realistically is it the stereotypical rich man's plaything with the guise of investment?

The only way to make any money in the meantime is player sales but we haven't seen a 7 figure fee since 2014 so transfer business will need to improve massively to generate significant sums.

[Adz]

I think Travis has been fairly upfront on this. Unless we build a new stadium with other facilities around it we will not have the resources to challenge to be a championship team.

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

[BiggsyMalone]

I think Travis has been fairly upfront on this. Unless we build a new stadium with other facilities around it we will not have the resources to challenge to be a championship team.

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

[Rubex Kube]

The (lack of) reward at Championship is an interesting one in context of our investors. On one hand perhaps the thing that would allow them to cash out is the asset of a side one season from the promised land of the Prem riches. On the other hand there's the losses you mention.

So question is if the ground we need to become sustainable will cost 30 million+ and the losses could be 10-20 million a season what are they aiming to do? Or realistically is it the stereotypical rich man's plaything with the guise of investment?

The only way to make any money in the meantime is player sales but we haven't seen a 7 figure fee since 2014 so transfer business will need to improve massively to generate significant sums.

Cup runs make money

[Rubex Kube]

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Don't we all?

[Adz]

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Time will tell, but I trust him. It makes sense that someone would invest in a greenfield project in london, rather than a ground limited in options and owned by a third party.

[BiggsyMalone]

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Time will tell, but I trust him. It makes sense that someone would invest in a greenfield project in london, rather than a ground limited in options and owned by a third party.

You might trust him but he’s surrounded by people who’ve made their money invested in poorly performing companies and sell them on for a profit.

They will find a site and sell the club. This lot don’t have the money.

[Hoover Attack]

At losses running at c.£2.5m, it means that every bum on every seat occupied at Brisbane Road is being subsidised by the board to the tune of £12-13. We moan when it goes up £2 a game each season - and then cite its the boards reward when we go up and get the higher league's rewards. What reward? The championship loses £20m a club on average. What incentive is there for the board to try and invest for promotion? Very little it seems - especially when some of the people they are doing it for - us - moan about the level of investment and the quality of signings.

Oh my days.

The people they are investing for is us???

Their reward in having a Championship club instead of a L1 club is being able to sell it on to someone at a much higher asking price. They are not doing this for us.

(Travis is the only one not here for that reason, being a fan).

[Monkey Boy]

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

[Ron Waffle]

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

[Monkey Boy]

Travis talks bollocks.

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

I will address that question if we sign any,plus once they have played a couple of games if that’s ok and answers your post.

[gshaw]

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

That's the only bit of hope to cling to though if they're all late you've got the fitness issues to content with instead (refer to our start to last season)

[Hoover Attack]

Assuming they're going through pre-season with their current clubs, that's not an issue.

Richie said last week we don't get into tactics in the first 2 weeks so they're only really missing out on the team bonding. If this is a busy week and the majority of the remaining signings are in before we fly off, all is still good....

[Rubex Kube]

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

I will address that question if we sign any,plus once they have played a couple of games if that’s ok and answers your post.

No it's not, as those already signed have been judged without a game at Leaugue 1 level under Wellens

[Rubex Kube]

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

That's the only bit of hope to cling to though if they're all late you've got the fitness issues to content with instead (refer to our start to last season)

Sol Brynn & Shaq Forde were fit start of last season

[ChorizO]

It won’t happen this the current board. They’re not going to lump 10s of millions of debt onto Orient to pay for a new stadium that won’t be full.

The demand is barely there for when Orient are good.

You've obviously not listened to any of Travis's stuff then. He's got people lined up to invest in a project in London that involves building a new stadium amongst other facilities. He can't find anyone who wants to invest where we currently are. He's made it clear that they are working with the borough to find a suitable location, but this stuff all takes a long time. It'll be 5-10 years before they make this a reality, but I think it will happen.

Travis talks bollocks.

Is this the same Travis who saved our club, put us on a financial even keel, engineered us getting out of the National League and presided over his appointed management tram who won us promotion to League 1?

Asking for a friend.

[gshaw]

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

That's the only bit of hope to cling to though if they're all late you've got the fitness issues to content with instead (refer to our start to last season)

Sol Brynn & Shaq Forde were fit start of last season

I'll take your Brynn and Forde and raise a Pigott and Graham. Bit lame using a GK as an example for fitness, Dean Brill managed to change from coach to player in a couple of days

[Monkey Boy]

That's the only bit of hope to cling to though if they're all late you've got the fitness issues to content with instead (refer to our start to last season)

Sol Brynn & Shaq Forde were fit start of last season

I'll take your Brynn and Forde and raise a Pigott and Graham. Bit lame using a GK as an example for fitness, Dean Brill managed to change from coach to player in a couple of days

We are going to have more trialists than the X factor, all the players that other teams don’t want or can’t get a club. Shameful.

[PoundhillO]

Sol Brynn & Shaq Forde were fit start of last season

I'll take your Brynn and Forde and raise a Pigott and Graham. Bit lame using a GK as an example for fitness, Dean Brill managed to change from coach to player in a couple of days

We are going to have more trialists than the X factor, all the players that other teams don’t want or can’t get a club. Shameful.

Says it all.

[Hoover Attack]

I'll take your Brynn and Forde and raise a Pigott and Graham.

Ouch.

[Scuba Diver]

Travis talks bollocks.

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

As the whiners on here constantly mewl; we're so slow to do our business we are likely one of the last in the division to bring in players.

What a shame we didn't keep up with Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Port Vale, and Carlisle last season eh. Moving quickly really worked for them.

[Monkey Boy]

Surprised you said that Biggsy thought you were pro Orient? Personally at this point I’m very disappointed in the club,even if they do sign 5/6 players we would have missed out on some very good signings already. After all the rhetoric from the club and Chairman in particular at end of last season and the beginning of this. I won’t be renewing next season if things don’t dramatically improve,once bitten twice shy.

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

As the whiners on here constantly mewl; we're so slow to do our business we are likely one of the last in the division to bring in players.

What a shame we didn't keep up with Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Port Vale, and Carlisle last season eh. Moving quickly really worked for them.

The same could be said about the clubs that went up they brought in players quickly and even Stevenage who were pushing for promotion right up until the end. Evan’s has done it yet again and moved quickly in the market with Rotherham and I’m willing to bet they finish above us. Even Stevenage have been more proactive in the market than we have.

[Rubex Kube]

That's the only bit of hope to cling to though if they're all late you've got the fitness issues to content with instead (refer to our start to last season)

Sol Brynn & Shaq Forde were fit start of last season

I'll take your Brynn and Forde and raise a Pigott and Graham. Bit lame using a GK as an example for fitness, Dean Brill managed to change from coach to player in a couple of days

You were talking about loanees fitness silly bowlox not players owned keep moving them goalposts every time you get caught out gshaw

[Rubex Kube]

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

As the whiners on here constantly mewl; we're so slow to do our business we are likely one of the last in the division to bring in players.

What a shame we didn't keep up with Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Port Vale, and Carlisle last season eh. Moving quickly really worked for them.

The same could be said about the clubs that went up they brought in players quickly and even Stevenage who were pushing for promotion right up until the end. Evan’s has done it yet again and moved quickly in the market with Rotherham and I’m willing to bet they finish above us. Even Stevenage have been more proactive in the market than we have.

Rotherham cleared out 18 championship players & brought in 16 cheaper ones

[Scuba Diver]

What if the 5/6 players we sign are better than ones we have already "missed out" on ?

As the whiners on here constantly mewl; we're so slow to do our business we are likely one of the last in the division to bring in players.

What a shame we didn't keep up with Cheltenham, Fleetwood, Port Vale, and Carlisle last season eh. Moving quickly really worked for them.

The same could be said about the clubs that went up they brought in players quickly and even Stevenage who were pushing for promotion right up until the end. Evan’s has done it yet again and moved quickly in the market with Rotherham and I’m willing to bet they finish above us. Even Stevenage have been more proactive in the market than we have.

Perhaps if you go and stand outside the club or training ground every day, you can whine about it at ML/KT/NT/RW as they're coming and going.. Perhaps wave a Stevenage flag at them to prove your "point".

Or, just continue to whine on here.