Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:22 am
I was actually there in 2019 the day after the election. Would hardly call it a riot. It was a bunch of angry people protesting and a few morons. Not exactly storming the capital building…oh that didn’t happen
Still more though than turned up last night to cause trouble
So not a riot then? And no source - not even the Express article you linked - that backs up any claim that "thousands of leftists rioted in Whitehall"?
Thanks for admitting you made it up, it's not often that people are prepared to hold their hands up like that
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:22 am
I was actually there in 2019 the day after the election. Would hardly call it a riot. It was a bunch of angry people protesting and a few morons. Not exactly storming the capital building…oh that didn’t happen
Hope you received a custodial sentence for your part in those despicable, democracy-denying 'demos'.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:21 am She was quite happy to be parachuted in
From Wiki:
Early life and education
Shaheen was born in Whipps Cross University Hospital, Leytonstone, in East London[4] and grew up in Chingford, also in East London.[5] Her father was a car mechanic from Fiji and her mother was a laboratory technician from Karachi, Pakistan, where they met.[6][7][8][9] She has a brother and a sister.[8]
She attended Chingford Church of England Primary School,[10] Chingford Foundation School and Sir George Monoux College in Walthamstow.[11] Her first job at the age of 16 was at Greggs the bakers in Chingford Mount.
Personal life
Shaheen married actor Akin Gazi in 2013.[53][54] They have one child, a son named Zayan, born in 2024.[55][56][57] They live in Woodford Green, Woodford, East London.
What does that have to do with anything? The person who did a lot of hard work was prevented from finishing it off.
So as it stands (with 2 seats to go), the turnaround in the Labour party is just unbelievable.
Just 4 1/2 short years ago, that imbecile Corbyn managed to secure a mere 10.3 million votes (down from a slightly less embarassing 13.0 million in 2017). Somehow, the genius that is Sirkieth has turned the party around and miraculously convinced a whopping 9.7 million people to vote for the new, improved Labour offering. Outstanding.
BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:21 am She was quite happy to be parachuted in
From Wiki:
Early life and education
Shaheen was born in Whipps Cross University Hospital, Leytonstone, in East London[4] and grew up in Chingford, also in East London.[5] Her father was a car mechanic from Fiji and her mother was a laboratory technician from Karachi, Pakistan, where they met.[6][7][8][9] She has a brother and a sister.[8]
She attended Chingford Church of England Primary School,[10] Chingford Foundation School and Sir George Monoux College in Walthamstow.[11] Her first job at the age of 16 was at Greggs the bakers in Chingford Mount.
Personal life
Shaheen married actor Akin Gazi in 2013.[53][54] They have one child, a son named Zayan, born in 2024.[55][56][57] They live in Woodford Green, Woodford, East London.
What does that have to do with anything?
Youre genuinely claiming she parachuted into the area she was born, educated and grew up in?
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Just 14 hours after the polls closed, and Starmer is appointed as Prime Minister by Charles. Compared to most other nations, that's actually a pretty quick process.
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Yep, Morgan McSweeny has delivered with brutal efficiency, but on very shaky foundations.
But what's most likely to be more evenly distributed across constituencies; progressives or shoot-the-boats types?
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
So it just confirms how broke Right leaning politics is,
We must wonder if they can make a difference in 5 years or will the upper classes sense of arrogance be there downfall again.
The absolute best thing Labour can do is not get high on their own supply after this. It's not bitterness to say large parts of their win has been built on sand, it's borne out by these figures. Many seats wouldn't have been won if Farage had done what he did last time and pulled out of various races (many of the seats Corbyn was castigated for losing didn't have the luxury of Brexit Party candidates splitting the Tory vote left, right and centre) and in some of their heartlands, their vote share went down (Greens took 10s of 000s of votes from them in London). They need to realise they've played the system to their advantage rather than winning any hearts and minds and get on with making sure their term actually gives people a reason to vote for them next time. And preferably progressive reason, rather than shooting the small boats, or something.
Totally. No arguments have been won.
We'll have 5 years of pretty much the same (yes, I accept it won't be quite as sh*t for the most vulnerable in our society), then Starmer will cop the blame. He'll go, and I dread to think what will come next.
Take out the Scottish Labour gain in votes and share - where Labour was the go-to protest party, as opposed to Reform down in that Engerland - and Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:39 pm
Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
Agreed. As said above, it's all built on sand.
You know that feeling when you're having your head dunked in the bath, and your torturer lets you come up for air before sticking your head back under. It feels like that.
StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:39 pm
Take out the Scottish Labour gain in votes and share - where Labour was the go-to protest party, as opposed to Reform down in that Engerland - and Sir Keir doesn't really seem to have done that well, really, considering what he was up against - in terms of popular vote or share.
I saw a result of a poll on tv just as I was leaving for work . Apparently 48% of people who voted Labour did so only to get rid of the Tories. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
I have to say, I was a tad disappointed with Starmer's speech outside No.10. I was at least hoping that he would finally tell us what job his father used to do.
