Farage - whose side is he on?

[Adz]

It’s very difficult to say.

No, it’s quite easy. If everybody (including those with money and power) had to use the NHS, far more money and resources would be allocated to it, no question.

However if you suddenly take all the people who have either medical insurance or self pay and then drop them into the NHS system? I think an already struggling NHS would be atrocious.

Yes, you’re right. It would take a while to sufficiently expand its capacity — it’s already massively overstretched — but the cash (including, most notably, the profit) from the private healthcare industry could be used to make the standard of care better for everyone.

Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?

[Adz]

....But (say) if someone chooses to have private health treatment one year (say) at a cost of 2 grand, instead of a holiday, I don’t see it’s up to me or anyone else to tell them they shouldn’t spend their money that way, any more than I should tell them they can’t go on holiday.

The counter argument to this has already been made above.

...I have never understood why controlling immigration is often seen as automatically right wing.

It isn't, although I appreciate that many adopt a reflex response to the issue along perceived tribal lines.

But it's worth pointing out that, aside from those arriving by dingy at Dover (which is a fraction of total net migration), migration levels in the UK are not uncontrolled. They are a deliberate consequence of policy and trade agreements arising post-Brexit. This is exactly what Brexit was always about.

I'm not saying that this applies to you, but anyone who voted for Brexit on the basis that it would result in reduced immigration levels has been taken for a mug.

[Hoover Attack]

It’s very difficult to say.

No, it’s quite easy. If everybody (including those with money and power) had to use the NHS, far more money and resources would be allocated to it, no question.

However if you suddenly take all the people who have either medical insurance or self pay and then drop them into the NHS system? I think an already struggling NHS would be atrocious.

Yes, you’re right. It would take a while to sufficiently expand its capacity — it’s already massively overstretched — but the cash (including, most notably, the profit) from the private healthcare industry could be used to make the standard of care better for everyone.

Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?

This. The services are already being provided.

[DrWindy]

I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…

You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.

Think it through.

If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.

If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.

[Max B Gold]

I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…

You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.

Think it through.

If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.

If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.

No just the billionaires.

[Dunners]

Phew.

[DrWindy]

I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…

You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.

Think it through.

If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.

If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.

No just the billionaires.

Why would they pay for it? That is not how the UK tax system works. This is why your argument is flawed. Perhaps Dr Windy is a doctor.

[Max B Gold]

Yeah you're right. Bad idea. Just forget I said it Doc.

[oxo]

I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…

You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.

Think it through.

If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.

If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.

I've thought it through, cheers. I want the very rich to pay that extra tax. If they can afford to pay £2000 a day every time they need to see a doctor, they've got more than enough money. If their employer can afford to pay huge sums to BUPA, their employer can afford to pay more tax, too.

Millionaire trader (and Leyton Orient fan) Gary Stevenson has an interesting youtube channel where he talks about how he and other very rich people should be paying more tax.

[Currywurst and Chips]

HMRC take donations Gary

[Dunners]

I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…

You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.

Think it through.

If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.

If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.

I've thought it through, cheers. I want the very rich to pay that extra tax. If they can afford to pay £2000 a day every time they need to see a doctor, they've got more than enough money. If their employer can afford to pay huge sums to BUPA, their employer can afford to pay more tax, too.

Millionaire trader (and Leyton Orient fan) Gary Stevenson has an interesting youtube channel where he talks about how he and other very rich people should be paying more tax.

I didn't know you were an Orient fan, Garry.

[oxo]

Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?

No idea what the total number of beds across public and private is, but if government ministers and their families had to wait 9 months for surgery I'm confident that the capacity would increase dramatically.

[oxo]

HMRC take donations Gary

Yeah, but if they all have to pay there's a lot more money in the pot than if a single trader chucks some coins in the hat, isn't there?

[Currywurst and Chips]

Not quite the point I was making but thanks for stating the obvious.

[Dunners]

Now that we know Gary's on here, we can hit him up for some trading tips.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?

No idea what the total number of beds across public and private is, but if government ministers and their families had to wait 9 months for surgery I'm confident that the capacity would increase dramatically.

Good thing rich people going abroad for medical treatment isn’t an option that anybody has ever taken

[oxo]

Now that we know Gary's on here, we can hit him up for some trading tips.

CEB always says to buy Lego, sounds like better advice than gambling, ‘professionally’ or otherwise. (Where is he by the way?)

[oxo]

Not quite the point I was making but thanks for stating the obvious.

Seemed like the obvious needed stating

[Dunners]

Now that we know Gary's on here, we can hit him up for some trading tips.

CEB always says to buy Lego, sounds like better advice than gambling, ‘professionally’ or otherwise. (Where is he by the way?)

Hi Gaz. Keef has chosen permanent exile over oppression by the fascist regime that moderates this place.

[Ski Sunday]

Farage - whose side is he on ?

If you have to ask that question you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Max B Gold]

Now that we know Gary's on here, we can hit him up for some trading tips.

CEB always says to buy Lego, sounds like better advice than gambling, ‘professionally’ or otherwise. (Where is he by the way?)

Hi Gaz. Keef has chosen permanent exile over oppression by the fascist regime that moderates this place.

Rumour is he's been appointed the new regius Professor of Arguments at Hogwarts and has no spare time for Boardin'.