Biden v. Trump

[Dunners]

People who've already committed to Trump will simply believe that it's an a political charade and that'll reinforce their belief that they picked the right guy to adore. Easy to see the thought process, that they couldn't possibly have been taken in by a shyster - that would mean they are pretty gullible - so therefore it must be a fit up. Now, the worse it gets for Trump - the more egregious his crimes and misdemeanours - the more they have to reinforce their belief that it's all a fit up.

Guess the time to finally say "that's it, he's a crook and I was fooled by him" without now having to admit that they really are gullible fools, is long past. Unless they can look themselves in the eye, no one else is going to be able to persuade them and the stronger the evidence is against their man, the harder they'll push back. I'm sure some are leaving his camp - there's a few dissenters in the GOP - but such is the cult of this man that I'd suggest the vast majority of believers still believe - see above for example. No-one in the USA seems to decide between Democrat and Republican, they seem to decide between voting and not-voting and that seems to decide their elections - it remains to be seen whether Republican voters will turn out for him or not, but I think it's way too early to state that they're deserting him in their droves.

I reckon Trump can still p-p-p-pick up a few more coverts to his cause yet.

[Give it to Jabo]

the cause is bigger than any individual, Dems should think about an alternative candidate, should the constitution allow it. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate.

[Max B Gold]

Weird why the Dems haven't sidelined him and brought in a less senile warmonger. Maybe he's just more controllable by the deep state.

[Brigs]

Why don't you just calm yourself down mate & take your own advice or better still STFU .

Who said I'm not calm? Bit of projection going on there.

Projecting yourself as some sort of moral guide of age.

[Proposition Joe]

Who mentioned morals? An overall objection to octogenarians being leaders shouldn't be tuff to understand.

[Brigs]

Who mentioned morals? An overall objection to octogenarians being leaders shouldn't be tuff to understand.

Ageism
How do you feel about Jewish People & Gypsies?

[Proposition Joe]

Ah, you're on a normal one here I see.

[Brigs]

Won't answer the question I see

[Brigs]

Don't make comments about getting to 82 & be lucky enough to be active. You'll get cross examined

[Proposition Joe]

Cross examined? So far we've had: "so, you think there should probably be an upper age limit on elected public officials? Well, WOULD YOU ALSO BAN JEWS?!" Truly, you appear to be one of the nation's keenest debaters.

[Brigs]

I made a comment about an 82 year old being alive & doing stuff, you went all weird on a throw away comment
Bizarre stuff from you

[StillSpike]

This is an interesting spat that's bubbled up.

I wonder if, when PJ wrote the bit in bold -

Defending the indefensible at this point. Even if you don't think he's senile - which appears increasingly debatable - he's eighty-f*cking-two and no sensible democracy should be looking to elect someone that old, and nor should anyone of that age be seeking election. Go and have a rest mate, watch some daytime TV. Same applies to his 79 year old opponent.

- Brigs thought it was aimed at him personally, rather than at Sleepy Joe ? (I took it to be aimed at Biden, rather than Brigs, because of the following sentence)

Obviously, I don't know what either boarder was or is thinking, but it seems like that might account for the sudden squall.

[Dunners]

Just catching up up on some clips from last night's debate. As bad as I thought the situation was, Biden really is struggling. There's no way someone in his condition should be put through this.

[EastDerehamO]

From what I saw on breakfast news it was a real poor show from Biden, he just doesn't look up to being President.

[Adz]

Can the Democrats change the who's running at this stage? He's going to lose an almost unlosable election to a convicted criminal!

[Fellowo]

Sad to see a man obviously suffering with dementia being made to enter a debate.

Whether it be his wife or the democratic party, they should of stopped him from standing for another term. Just so unfare on the poor man to be put through this.

[Dunners]

I'm unsure of the rules for changing candidates, but the process would make it unlikely. The rate of Biden's decline is now impossible to ignore, and he has another five months of this. It's painful to watch.

[The Mindsweep]

I'm unsure of the rules for changing candidates, but the process would make it unlikely. The rate of Biden's decline is now impossible to ignore, and he has another five months of this. It's painful to watch.

The debate was held very very early in the election cycle. There has been alot of talk lately that the Democrats wanted it early in order to shift those that felt sticking with Biden was the way forward. Looks like they may get what they want. Although, unlike over here, it is only in Biden's gift if he stands aside. There is no other mechanism to remove him. The Democrat Covention in August seems the most likely point if it happens.

[Proposition Joe]

Careful guys, you can't raise concerns over Biden otherwise you're an anti-Semite.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Oh look, the thing that was being pointed out as happening but was dismissed, happened again and now Trump is 4/7 whilst Biden is 4/1

All that denying the truth has done wonders for Democrats’ chances

[Currywurst and Chips]

[EastDerehamO]

It doesn’t reflect well on the democratic process in the most powerful country on Earth when you see a President struggling like that, having been endorsed by his party to serve for another four years. It has been remarked on before that the choice put before the American people is poor.
Have to wonder whether Biden will be persuaded to stand aside, or Democratic Convention delegates will take the matter into their own hands, but the latter wouldn’t seem very democratic either given they are mandated to support him.

[Proposition Joe]

Dems are stuffed. We have two terrible choices over here but the Yanks are holding our beer.

[Mistadobalina]

Had to force myself to watch some clips to see how bad it was as I find public humiliation pretty unbearable, and it managed to even worse than I feared. Surely his wife and close circle take him aside and tell him to stand down for his own good. Still think the Dems could win with anyone not called Harris or Biden.

[Dunners]

I just don't see how he can be the candidate come November, but I also don't see how the Dems swap him out for someone else in time either.