Fellowo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:38 am
Amazing latest comments from Mr Farage, basically saying it's the West's fault that Putin decided to invade Ukraine by expanding the EU and Nato into the East.
Do you think Farage is the first person ever to have said that?
You should try reading some of the "Russia / Ukraine Watch" thread where you'll find some who appear to agree at least in part with Farage.
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:57 am
The West took advantage of this weakness through NATO expansion right up to the Russian border. Putin got very annoyed about that and started the fight back using the greed of the capitalist class against the West to corrupt its democracies and their institutions.
Fellowo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:38 am
Amazing latest comments from Mr Farage, basically saying it's the West's fault that Putin decided to invade Ukraine by expanding the EU and Nato into the East.
Do you think Farage is the first person ever to have said that?
You should try reading some of the "Russia / Ukraine Watch" thread where you'll find some who appear to agree at least in part with Farage.
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:57 am
The West took advantage of this weakness through NATO expansion right up to the Russian border. Putin got very annoyed about that and started the fight back using the greed of the capitalist class against the West to corrupt its democracies and their institutions.
Farage being a Putin fanboy doesn't make him wrong about his motivations for invading Ukraine.
This whole Russia is to blame schtick has played out in the Western media since 2022 and needs to be challenged so that the debate is formalised and doesn't descend into a propaganda fuelled US/NATO good; Russia bad. The US/Nato are not a force for good in the world.
Start here with some useful history from a man who knows what he is talking about:
Fellowo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:38 am
Amazing latest comments from Mr Farage, basically saying it's the West's fault that Putin decided to invade Ukraine by expanding the EU and Nato into the East.
Do you think Farage is the first person ever to have said that?
You should try reading some of the "Russia / Ukraine Watch" thread where you'll find some who appear to agree at least in part with Farage.
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:57 am
The West took advantage of this weakness through NATO expansion right up to the Russian border. Putin got very annoyed about that and started the fight back using the greed of the capitalist class against the West to corrupt its democracies and their institutions.
Fellowo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:38 am
Amazing latest comments from Mr Farage, basically saying it's the West's fault that Putin decided to invade Ukraine by expanding the EU and Nato into the East.
Do you think Farage is the first person ever to have said that?
You should try reading some of the "Russia / Ukraine Watch" thread where you'll find some who appear to agree at least in part with Farage.
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:57 am
The West took advantage of this weakness through NATO expansion right up to the Russian border. Putin got very annoyed about that and started the fight back using the greed of the capitalist class against the West to corrupt its democracies and their institutions.
Farage being a Putin fanboy doesn't make him wrong about his motivations for invading Ukraine.
This whole Russia is to blame schtick has played out in the Western media since 2022 and needs to be challenged so that the debate is formalised and doesn't descend into a propaganda fuelled US/NATO good; Russia bad. The US/Nato are not a force for good in the world.
Start here with some useful history from a man who knows what he is talking about:
Completely ignores the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Bosnians by Serbia led by Slobodan Milosevic. But yeah, it was all the USA bombing Belgrade to install a NATO base.
Farage being a Putin fanboy doesn't make him wrong about his motivations for invading Ukraine.
This whole Russia is to blame schtick has played out in the Western media since 2022 and needs to be challenged so that the debate is formalised and doesn't descend into a propaganda fuelled US/NATO good; Russia bad. The US/Nato are not a force for good in the world.
Start here with some useful history from a man who knows what he is talking about:
Completely ignores the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Bosnians by Serbia led by Slobodan Milosevic. But yeah, it was all the USA bombing Belgrade to install a NATO base.
When NATO could have prevented genocide at Srebrenica they stood aside and let it happen.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:04 pm
Blimey, so you're saying that NATO more or less gave the ok for a genocide to take place in Europe. Mind boggling.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:04 pm
Blimey, so you're saying that NATO more or less gave the ok for a genocide to take place in Europe. Mind boggling.
Am I? Or are you just being an imbecile?
What's imbecilic is you believing this to be a cut and dried fact. But then again it's not too surprising given your usual need to exaggerate and twist things out of proportion in order to impact your point of view.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:04 pm
Blimey, so you're saying that NATO more or less gave the ok for a genocide to take place in Europe. Mind boggling.
Am I? Or are you just being an imbecile?
What's imbecilic is you believing this to be a cut and dried fact. But then again it's not too surprising given your usual need to exaggerate and twist things out of proportion in order to impact your point of view.
Q - Was there a genocide in and around Srebrenica by Serbs against Bosnian Muslims?
A- Yes.
Q- What role did the NATO forces on the ground play in this?
A - They stood back and let it happen.
Q - Why?
A - Probably because the air support required by the NATO troops was otherwise involved bombing women and children in Belgrade.
It's quite clear your agenda is to show NATO in the worst possible light - to the point of the ridiculous. I wouldn't have thought they are perfect by any stretch. But you make it sound like they just shrugged their shoulders and let the massacre of civilians take place. The Balkan war was a tragedy and a very complex situation to resolve, but you know this. You then flippantly inferred that whilst all this was going on they go bomb the women and children in Belgrade. But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'. All this distortion and exaggeration because of you hatred for Nato. Actually your description of events are more than ridiculous they are just plain silly.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:13 pm But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'.
Did they avoid bombing the women and children then?
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:13 pm But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'.
Did they avoid bombing the women and children then?
Yes. But unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances, the buildings that they did bomb then collapsed on top of the women and children who happened to be inside. An enquiry is needed to determine the link between the two events but, until then, I'd suggest we avoid any speculation.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:13 pm But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'.
Did they avoid bombing the women and children then?
Yes. But unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances, the buildings that they did bomb then collapsed on top of the women and children who happened to be inside. An enquiry is needed to determine the link between the two events but, until then, I'd suggest we avoid any speculation.
Does the fact that Belgrade was bombed 78 days in a row help with your enquiries at all?
