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Interesting anomaly

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LOL at the Momentum lot, as the penny drops that election strategies matter, and that distribution of votes can be more important than quantity.
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The Tories should campaign for a change to our voting system, so they receive a proportion of seats in Parliament that accurately represents the number of votes they received.
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Seems like a good time to drop this and hope no one notices.

7 years on and still beggars belief at the lengths some people inside the Labour machine were prepared to go to help the Tories win.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggr3pg4ljo
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What an astonishing waste of money.
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Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:13 am What an astonishing waste of money.
Not their money and helped stamp out the left within labour, so I'm sure they'd argue it was well spent.

Presumably the only reason they've binned it off is the left within Labour have now been removed/silenced.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:18 am
Proposition Joe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:13 am What an astonishing waste of money.
Not their money and helped stamp out the left within labour, so I'm sure they'd argue it was well spent.

Presumably the only reason they've binned it off is the left within Labour have now been removed/silenced.
That and they really don't want it dragging on into Parliament.
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Good to see Labour drawing a line under this and letting bygones be bygones.
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I see the “But 2017” klaxon has been sounded again, only got to Wednesday this week.
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If only Labour hadn’t wasted money on that, they’d be free to not waste it on campaigning for this election campaign. As it is, Labour are doomed to lose
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Dunners wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:11 am LOL at the Momentum lot, as the penny drops that election strategies matter, and that distribution of votes can be more important than quantity.
Except for two things. It's probably down to a Reform surge and a Tory collapse.
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Dunners you should probably amend it to “some of” the momentum lot. They definitely haven’t all had the penny drop
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Math clearly not your thing. Best stick to the etchings.
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Thanks for saying that my drawing skills are a strength, appreciate it mate
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I understand how hungry you are for approval.
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Oh, FFS! I recall attending a housing policy workshop with the Labour team and nobody there - including UK Finance (who represent the banks) - thought this was a good idea.

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So is this better or worse policy than Help to Buy?

And what will it mean for the price of my houses?
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It's better that H2B, as it doesn't just pump tax payers money into the pockets of the volume housebuilders to construct sub-standard tower blocks of sh*tty rabbit hutches.

But in the medium- to long-term it will increase volatility and risk, as the tax payer will be a guarantor on high LTV mortgage products without allowing space and time for a more 'natural' market correction. Short term, it could benefit you in terms of providing more demand for your house. But longer term we will all lose.

When even the bankers are saying it's dodgy, you'd think people would listen. But thicko middle-class, middle-aged parents will probably just hear it as an opportunity to finally kick their kids out of the family home. So I can see how it plays electorally.

(I also wouldn't be surprised if the policy is watered own or never comes to light in the proposed form)
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Thank you for the insight.
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Dunners wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:47 pm It's better that H2B, as it doesn't just pump tax payers money into the pockets of the volume housebuilders to construct sub-standard tower blocks of sh*tty rabbit hutches.

But in the medium- to long-term it will increase volatility and risk, as the tax payer will be a guarantor on high LTV mortgage products without allowing space and time for a more 'natural' market correction. Short term, it could benefit you in terms of providing more demand for your house. But longer term we will all lose.

When even the bankers are saying it's dodgy, you'd think people would listen. But thicko middle-class, middle-aged parents will probably just hear it as an opportunity to finally kick their kids out of the family home. So I can see how it plays electorally.

(I also wouldn't be surprised if the policy is watered own or never comes to light in the proposed form)
Hmm typical market based solution. These never solve anything. Bypass the market by volume building houses for affordable rents. If only Keith could see it.
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Dunners wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:28 pm Oh, FFS! I recall attending a housing policy workshop with the Labour team and nobody there - including UK Finance (who represent the banks) - thought this was a good idea.

Are they sure this is a Labour policy? Surely propping up the market, the house builders and the banks with this sort of nonsense is a Tory idea?
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Currywurst and Chips wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:34 pm So is this better or worse policy than Help to Buy?

And what will it mean for the price of my houses?
I would expect this means house prices will remain artificially high for a little bit longer, the problem being kicked a little further down the road.
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Say what you like about Corbyn, but when it came to commemorating your fallen heroes, at least he stayed for the whole ceremony.

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If only he'd turned up to the cenotaph with a poppy that size, it all could have been so different.
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Hoover Attack wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:42 pm If only he'd turned up to the cenotaph with a poppy that size, it all could have been so different.
And a giant Butchers Apron.
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