The trans debate

[Max B Gold]

Victims of the witch hunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/art ... r-identity

[CEB]

Max doing his “vaguely say something without making a point, or saying what he actually thinks” again, I see.

[Max B Gold]

Implicit in my comment is that thanks to the witch hunt, desperate people are being driven into the hands of exploitative drug dealers and away from medical supervision under the NHS. This is harmful to them.

But then you know that already but don't want to take responsibility for the damage your witch hunt causes.

[CEB]

What a deeply stupid post. I hope your next one goes better for you.

[Max B Gold]

Top reply. Cíos saor in aisce. Ag cónaí i do cheann folamh.

[CEB]

The funniest thing about this thread is that Max is 100% on message in terms of the left’s approach to the issue of trans rights activism

[Max B Gold]

It took a while.

[Max B Gold]

88 pages in fact

[CEB]

non sequiturs are fun!

[Max B Gold]

In all these years you haven't noticed I am the master of this non sequitur concept.

[CEB]

[Long slender neck]

Implicit in my comment is that thanks to the witch hunt, desperate people are being driven into the hands of exploitative drug dealers and away from medical supervision under the NHS. This is harmful to them.

But then you know that already but don't want to take responsibility for the damage your witch hunt causes.

If people are determined to pursue unproven or dangerous treatments, what can be done? I dont think the answer is to provide them on the nhs.

[Max B Gold]

Implicit in my comment is that thanks to the witch hunt, desperate people are being driven into the hands of exploitative drug dealers and away from medical supervision under the NHS. This is harmful to them.

But then you know that already but don't want to take responsibility for the damage your witch hunt causes.

If people are determined to pursue unproven or dangerous treatments, what can be done? I dont think the answer is to provide them on the nhs.

Like you, I have literally no idea but there is a man on this thread who does. Hopefully he comes along soon to put us out of our thick misery

[CEB]

Genuinely baffling to see intelligent people acting as if some very straightforward points are incomprehensible. LSN is of course correct, as everybody would know if we were discussing literally anything else equivalent to this

[Currywurst and Chips]

Want to legally change you gender? You GP will be able to sign it off under Labour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c ... a7317e2ac8

[The Mindsweep]

Want to legally change you gender? You GP will be able to sign it off under Labour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c ... a7317e2ac8

I see the Tory client journalists have been fed their daily non factual Labour scaremongering story.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Want to legally change you gender? You GP will be able to sign it off under Labour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c ... a7317e2ac8

I see the Tory client journalists have been fed their daily non factual Labour scaremongering story.

Please link me to where they’ve denied the story that contains quotes from the shadow minister who would be responsible?

I’ll wait

[The Mindsweep]

Want to legally change you gender? You GP will be able to sign it off under Labour

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c ... a7317e2ac8

I see the Tory client journalists have been fed their daily non factual Labour scaremongering story.

Please link me to where they’ve denied the story that contains quotes from the shadow minister who would be responsible?

I’ll wait

There is no story.

Labour has just indicated they would update the process, nothing about a GP being able to sign it off.

If it helps I've cut and pasted the quote from the shadow minister that is in the article

Anneliese Dodds, the shadow women and equalities secretary, said she wanted to strip out the “futile and dehumanising parts” of acquiring a gender recognition certificate.

“We believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect,” she said. “We want to see the process for gender recognition modernised, while protecting single sex spaces for biological women. This means stripping out the futile and dehumanising parts of the process for obtaining a gender ­recognition certificate, while retaining important safeguards.”

[Currywurst and Chips]

So you think the source the story is based on is made up? Bold claim

If so, I look forward to the party refuting the story.

They won’t because it’s legitimate

[CEB]

I see the Tory client journalists have been fed their daily non factual Labour scaremongering story.

Please link me to where they’ve denied the story that contains quotes from the shadow minister who would be responsible?

I’ll wait

There is no story.

Labour has just indicated they would update the process, nothing about a GP being able to sign it off.

If it helps I've cut and pasted the quote from the shadow minister that is in the article

Anneliese Dodds, the shadow women and equalities secretary, said she wanted to strip out the “futile and dehumanising parts” of acquiring a gender recognition certificate.

“We believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect,” she said. “We want to see the process for gender recognition modernised, while protecting single sex spaces for biological women. This means stripping out the futile and dehumanising parts of the process for obtaining a gender ­recognition certificate, while retaining important safeguards.”

So you’re currently at the “it isn’t happening” phase.

Can you confirm what your position would be if it is happening? Cos a lot of people advocating for the trans rights side of things seem to work on the two step “this isn’t happening… ok it might be happening but it’s GOOD that it’s happening”

[Long slender neck]

What is the current process?

[The Mindsweep]

Please link me to where they’ve denied the story that contains quotes from the shadow minister who would be responsible?

I’ll wait

There is no story.

Labour has just indicated they would update the process, nothing about a GP being able to sign it off.

If it helps I've cut and pasted the quote from the shadow minister that is in the article

Anneliese Dodds, the shadow women and equalities secretary, said she wanted to strip out the “futile and dehumanising parts” of acquiring a gender recognition certificate.

“We believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect,” she said. “We want to see the process for gender recognition modernised, while protecting single sex spaces for biological women. This means stripping out the futile and dehumanising parts of the process for obtaining a gender ­recognition certificate, while retaining important safeguards.”

So you’re currently at the “it isn’t happening” phase.

Can you confirm what your position would be if it is happening? Cos a lot of people advocating for the trans rights side of things seem to work on the two step “this isn’t happening… ok it might be happening but it’s GOOD that it’s happening”

The stage I am at personally is irrelevant with regards to the article. I was questioning its accuracy as it falls into one of the ever decreasing attack lines that the Tories are throwing at Labour.

It may have been better placed in the general Labour thread

[CEB]

It’s not irrelevant, because as Dunners says, it’s accurate. So I’m asking what your position will be once it comes out as accurate: you can choose to see it as hypothetical if you like.
I don’t see why you would feel that you can’t answer

[CEB]

What is the current process?

Panel of medical professionals reviewing evidence after meeting specific criteria

[CEB]

You’ll never guess what the throwaway sentence about “spouse objections” means in practice, by the way