Do 'Islamists control London/Khan/Starmer'?

[Long slender neck]

Lee Anderson was suspended from the Tory party in Parliament on Saturday following comments he made about the Labour Mayor of London Sadiq Khan on Friday while discussing how the Metropolitan Police has handled pro-Palestinian protests in London on GB News.

Interviewed on the channel, which employs him as a presenter, Anderson was asked about a column fellow Tory MP and former Home Secretary Suella Braverman wrote last week, in which she said recent demonstrations in the UK showed Islamists were "in charge" of the country.

Asked about the remarks, Anderson said: "I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan and they've got control of London, and they've got control of Starmer as well."

He later added: "People are just turning up in their thousands, and doing anything they want, and they are laughing at our police. This stems with Khan, he's actually given our capital city away to his mates".

I think this is just bizarre. How exactly would they control any of these things? And if they were in control, why would they need to protest every weekend?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

The guys a nut. He’s clearly playing to a specific audience who do think this.
Look at the comments under any post my Khan or about anything he has done. Anderson is just trying the lowest level populism possible and probably succeeding with his audience

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Also, there’s a small part of me that can’t help smirk every time I see a far right numpty defending Jews and/or Israel.

[Give it to Jabo]

There’s a wafer between his stated view and that of other right-wing populists in the government…

[OyinbO]

He's a moronic pub bore stoking division in order to further his own media career.

[Hoover Attack]

I wasn't aware of this until today, which kinds of sums up where we are. Imagine the immediate furore if someone had uttered something daft like Jews control this country.

What I don't understand if how Sewerla Braverman said Islamists control the country and that was ok, but this goon has said no they don't, they only control London, and that's going too far? Bizarre times.

[Dunners]

Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.

There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.

[Proposition Joe]

Fun to remember he was a Labour Councillor as recently as 2018.

[Beradogs]

Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would say that the far right controlled London.

[Beradogs]

I am no fan of Anderson by the way. His views are certainly to the left of mine.

[CEB]

Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would certainly say that the far right controlled London.

Surely if the Muslim vote is so important, then if Tommy Robinson were elected it would still show that Muslims controlled London?

[Beradogs]

Fair point.

[Long slender neck]

Is there much Khan can do about protests anyway?

[Hoover Attack]

Is there much Khan can do about protests anyway?

Get out the water cannons?

[Hoover Attack]

Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.

There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.

Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Seeing as Khan will get re elected primarily due to the Muslim vote isn’t it fair to say they control London? If Tommy Robinson was Mayor and kept on getting elected you would say that the far right controlled London.

That’s not what Anderson is saying though

[ComeOnYouOs]

Anderson is an out and out racist.
He was thrown out of Labour for being a racist, and he's still a racist.
I also believe Braverman is every bit as much a racist as Anderson, yet she seems to have a free reign to spout her poison.

[Proposition Joe]

Anderson is an out and out racist.
He was thrown out of Labour for being a racist, and he's still a racist.

FactWatch: He wasn't thrown out of Labour. He was suspended after being given a Community Protection Notice for trying to stop Travellers pitch up on some land, then jumped ship to the Tories.

[CEB]

“Fine! I’ll join the tories then!” - anyone who can actually exist in public life after doing that, is inherently always going to be an irredeemable c***

[Dunners]

Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.

There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.

Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?

You're doing that thing that Maxy used to do, and asking a question to which you already know the answer.

Anyway, it's not about the religion per se. It could be anything. The point is that there are groups formed on ideological grounds which use Islam as the divisible for establishing in-group/out-group dynamics.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Are there any other boarders who use this form of whatabouterry and have they been more successful?

[Admin]

He's a moronic pub bore stoking division in order to further his own media career.

Just calling him a c*** would've sufficed.

[Hoover Attack]

Islamists do not 'control' anything meaningful in the UK.

There's an argument to be made that Islamist movements (like other fascists) will seek to infiltrate and erode the veracity of democratic and/or secularist institutions, but they are thankfully inept at doing this effectively and at scale. They're actually more prone to internal divisions and splinter groups than lefties.

Are there any other religions who have tried to infiltrate institutions and have they been more successful?

You're doing that thing that Maxy used to do, and asking a question to which you already know the answer.

Anyway, it's not about the religion per se. It could be anything. The point is that there are groups formed on ideological grounds which use Islam as the divisible for establishing in-group/out-group dynamics.

Fair enough.

Are there any other groups formed on ideological grounds that use other religions as the divisible whatever?

[Yanzi Gravy]

They will naturally be influential in areas where they have a great deal of councillors representing a large Muslim population like Newham or Tower Hamlets. Similarly , Jewish Councillors once dominated areas of areas like Redbridge when there was a large Jewish population there.

[Proposition Joe]

Lots of people seem to be lazily conflating "Islamists" with "Muslims" here, which is probably the exact result Anderson and the like were aiming for.