Sensible laws of football changes

[CEB]

“That won't change anything. The argument will then be over what is "daylight"“

Exactly - in winter months in 3pm
Kick offs, you could have the ludicrous situation where offside in the first half is onside in the second half!

[Hoover Attack]

At elite level, just put a tag in the sports bras they all like wearing these days and use the radar or whatever they use for goal line technology.

[o-no]

Put a time-limit on VAR, say 30 seconds. If it isn't clear by that time, then stick with whatever the ref said.

[WilliamTell]

Throw ins should be marked with the same tool used by the ref for free kicks. Done by the linesman or ref depending which half the linesman is in. That would stop all throw ins taken nowhere near where the ball went off and the time wasting that ensues when the player "tries in on".

[CEB]

But that is a non issue

[ComeOnYouOs]

The laws that need changing are handball laws
ATM its ridiculous....a free kick/pen is given if the ball hits your hand even if youre facing away from the direction the ball is coming from.
Handball should go back to being any player that seeks an advantage from handling the ball shall be deemed to have committed an offence

[gshaw]

Offside = daylight rule

That won't change anything. The argument will then be over what is "daylight". Whatever system or definition you use, there will always be those marginal cases, unless you screaaped offside completely ( and no I am not suggesting that is the way to go!

Semi automated offside system from WC implemented
Scrap VAR in its entirety

Wouldn't that semi-automated offside be a form of VAR? [I'm not really sure what you mean by the semi automated system from WC]

Re: the offsides there's a difference between having to be 100% onside to allow a goal to stand vs proving you're totally offside. It eliminates the marginal disallows than in practice give the attack next to no advantage but cause good attacking play to be wiped out.

The semi-automated system was the 3D graphics where it automatically draws the angles and lines. Basically turns it into more of goal-line tech than humans manually drawing virtual rulers (slowly) and still getting it wrong

https://www.the-afc.com/en/national/afc ... 2023_.html

VAR was sold as only being involved for "clear and obvious" errors i.e. we should see it rarely if at all. The fact it's used for nitpicking and has even worse inconsistency than how it was with referees' judgement makes it a flop. It's ruining the game and I suspect in years to come more will come out about what went on behind the scenes with some of those decisions.

[spen666]

Offside = daylight rule

That won't change anything. The argument will then be over what is "daylight". Whatever system or definition you use, there will always be those marginal cases, unless you screaaped offside completely ( and no I am not suggesting that is the way to go!

Semi automated offside system from WC implemented
Scrap VAR in its entirety

Wouldn't that semi-automated offside be a form of VAR? [I'm not really sure what you mean by the semi automated system from WC]

Re: the offsides there's a difference between having to be 100% onside to allow a goal to stand vs proving you're totally offside. It eliminates the marginal disallows than in practice give the attack next to no advantage but cause good attacking play to be wiped out.

it doesn't, it merely moves the point of argument a couple of centimetres argument.


There are always going to be arguments at the marginal decisions, no matter what you say is the boundary.

The debate would be what is "daylight". You are not going to stop the debate

The semi-automated system was the 3D graphics where it automatically draws the angles and lines. Basically turns it into more of goal-line tech than humans manually drawing virtual rulers (slowly) and still getting it wrong

https://www.the-afc.com/en/national/afc ... 2023_.html

The drawing of lines in VAR has not proved very successful

VAR was sold as only being involved for "clear and obvious" errors i.e. we should see it rarely if at all. The fact it's used for nitpicking and has even worse inconsistency than how it was with referees' judgement makes it a flop. It's ruining the game and I suspect in years to come more will come out about what went on behind the scenes with some of those decisions.

I'm not defending or otherwise VAR decisions

[CEB]

The fundamental problem with VAR is that “clear and obvious” is actually quite vague, and seems to be interpreted variously as “egregious” or “unambiguous” errors which are two different things.
Any decision that’s pored over will be likely to eventually seem obvious, and so VAR still has this weird threshold where the VAR may well know that a foul has/hasn’t been committed, but because it wasn’t an *obvious* error, the error still stands.
In practice, that means that VAR will not (as has been proven) reduce controversy.

Really, what should happen now we have technology to (mostly) deal with marginal calls around various infringements, there should be a wholesale rethink of what certain laws/interpretations are intended to do. What is offside for? What is a time wasting yellow card for? and to rethink rules totally as a result.
I’d like to get away from worrying so much about accuracy in offsides and instead get back to what the point of offside was.

With offside now, I would say that in every marginal call, it’s a matter of luck rather than skill as to whether a player was offside, and so offside should be more about interpretation than about a centimetre of knee - did a player go early enough that the advantage is unfair? I think that then may well bring offside back to where viewers can mostly see egregious offences in real time, with VAR used when something is missed, rather than looking for ways to disallow goals

[Lost not Found]

Offside = daylight rule

That won't change anything. The argument will then be over what is "daylight". Whatever system or definition you use, there will always be those marginal cases, unless you screaaped offside completely ( and no I am not suggesting that is the way to go!

Semi automated offside system from WC implemented
Scrap VAR in its entirety

Wouldn't that semi-automated offside be a form of VAR? [I'm not really sure what you mean by the semi automated system from WC]

Would scrapping offside be bad? Genuine question, I'd prefer to go back to the proper rules as a traditionalist but given the current form allows a lot of freedom for attackers I'd just be interested in seeing what teams come up with. More space in the pitch with players spread out more? You're still up against a bloke that is allowed to use their hands so just being in the box with a ball punted miles away at you isn't a straightforward gimmie.

On a more realistic note it's no shock most people here are coming up with the anti tactical fouling suggestions given how it can make games unwatchable as a neutral.

My suggestion is to rip off Basketball, yellow and reds don't change but you have 5 team fouls per half, every foul after that is a penalty.

[CEB]

I think scrapping offside would make the game a lot slower. You make an interesting point about space, but I think in practice it would mean a low block being universally adopted by almost all teams, and as a result, a slowing down of the game because of teams not risking have a high defensive line.

[StillSpike]

1) Scrap VAR
2) If 1) is not possible, then remove offside from its purview and have the Assistant Referees actually do their f*cking jobs rather than just run up and down and wait to see what happens. If you have to draw lines on a screen then it's onside, basically.
3) All players on the pitch are "interfering with play" - so even if an attacker is jogging back slowly and doesn't go for the ball - if he's in an offside position and the ball is played forwards, he's offside. And the Assistant Referee flags there and then, not waiting to see if a goal is scored.
4) If a player attempts to take a throw in more than, say, 3 yards from where the ball's gone out, the ref lets him do so and then signals a foul throw and the opposition restart with a throw. Only has to happen once and players will stop stealing yards (and stop using "stealing yards and getting waved back" as a ruse to waste time)

[EliotNes]

Get rid of he offside rule. It creates too many arguments, bad and incorrect decisions.

Why should an attacking player be penalised just because he is quicker or has quicker responses than a defending player.

The game/players would adapt as they have done for changes in the last few years e.g. goalkeeper can't pick-up a pass back; goal kicks don't have to go out of the goal area.

[spen666]

1) Scrap VAR
2) If 1) is not possible, then remove offside from its purview and have the Assistant Referees actually do their f*cking jobs rather than just run up and down and wait to see what happens. If you have to draw lines on a screen then it's onside, basically.

I do not think VAR in itself is a problem. It works well in other sports.

I think the problem is the way football has implemented it. It almost seems they have looked at Rugby Union, Tennis, Cricket etc and identified the bits that do not work in those sports, and adopted those for football.

I like the approach in rugby Union, where the referee is in charge. He may choose to go to Video Referee, but will say what his decision is and ask video referee if there is any reason not to give it e.g. "On field decision is a try, but can you check that pass x was not forward". Thus unless the Video referee can show it was a forward pass, the try is given

At present, VAR is not working to the benefit of the game. Its use needs to be tweaked at the least

3) All players on the pitch are "interfering with play" - so even if an attacker is jogging back slowly and doesn't go for the ball - if he's in an offside position and the ball is played forwards, he's offside. And the Assistant Referee flags there and then, not waiting to see if a goal is scored.

I agree with this.

I would change the approach so that every player is deemed to be interfering with play unless there is good reason to think otherwise....here I am thinking of a player down injured no where near ball is....but only that scenario.....Problem with that is there would be creep into what is not interfering with play, so perhaps a blanket rule may be best as you suggest.

4) If a player attempts to take a throw in more than, say, 3 yards from where the ball's gone out, the ref lets him do so and then signals a foul throw and the opposition restart with a throw. Only has to happen once and players will stop stealing yards (and stop using "stealing yards and getting waved back" as a ruse to waste time)

I agree with 4 as well. In Rugby Union the referee or Touch Judge make it clear where the mark is for a free kick or line out and if not taken from there, it is a foul

[spen666]

Get rid of he offside rule. It creates too many arguments, bad and incorrect decisions.

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I think the problem with that is that football would just become a Route 1 game - long hoofs upfield to a player(s)2 in opposition penalty area every time you get the ball.

The middle of the pitch would be unused space to be bypassed by long balls forward

[Real Al]

Throw ins that are too far out for a long throw into the box must always go backwards. Preferably to the keeper.

Oh no, we already do that.

[Hoover Attack]

Would scrapping offside be bad? Genuine question, I'd prefer to go back to the proper rules as a traditionalist but given the current form allows a lot of freedom for attackers I'd just be interested in seeing what teams come up with. More space in the pitch with players spread out more? You're still up against a bloke that is allowed to use their hands so just being in the box with a ball punted miles away at you isn't a straightforward gimmie.

Yes, it would be awful.

[Hoover Attack]

My suggestion is to rip off Basketball, yellow and reds don't change but you have 5 team fouls per half, every foul after that is a penalty.

They already do this in Futsal. It's a game changer.

[CEB]

Now that is a really interesting idea.

The only downside is that a probable goal is maybe more disproportionate in football than futsal. But a higher threshold - say 10-15 fouls - and yep.

[Hoover Attack]

Now that is a really interesting idea.

The only downside is that a probable goal is maybe more disproportionate in football than futsal. But a higher threshold - say 10-15 fouls - and yep.

It's from the secondary penalty spot, slightly further out.

It discourages tackling in futsal, you have to be sure of getting the ball before diving in. But can see in fooball how it would encourage players to dive more often - imagine the amount of pens James and Pratley could win whilst shepherding the ball over their own goal line.

[Hoover Attack]

James and Pratley are Leyton Orient footballers who have a tendency to fall over under the slightest pressure to get themselves out of tight defensive situations, for your info.

[CEB]

I’m sure I’d agree, but I can’t imagine that as I’ve never seen them

[CEB]

Oh man, we are both making the same jokes repeatedly. Does this prove we are or aren’t aliases?

[Hoover Attack]

Are.