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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:44 pm I can see Moncur, Beckles and when fit Drinan going out on loan in January to free up some Money and get some games, Defensively we haven’t been too bad but losing Graham was a real blow I would bring in a winger and a striker.
Beckles is going nowhere however I can see Moncur going . Richie likes Drinan so I'm not sure about him .
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Beckles will need games to build up his fitness a month or two playing regular games will help him and us.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:52 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:58 pm
Story of O wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:38 pm Is there another Kevin Lisbe out there
Billy sharp
Billy Sharp has been mentioned on here before . It's an interesting idea but I don't know . It's down to the club to decide if whether we should go for him . He's a free agent after leaving LA Galaxy so if we decided we wanted him we could go for him straight away .
Do people think we could afford his wages.
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:52 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:58 pm
Story of O wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:38 pm Is there another Kevin Lisbe out there
Billy sharp
Billy Sharp has been mentioned on here before . It's an interesting idea but I don't know . It's down to the club to decide if whether we should go for him . He's a free agent after leaving LA Galaxy so if we decided we wanted him we could go for him straight away .
Apart from stints at Southampton and Reading (who were both in the Championship/Premiership at the time) 10 years ago Sharp has played the entirety of his career in the north. Yes, he recently had what I imagine was a nice retirement payday in the USA, but I cannot see why he would be interested in moving down south to play for a mid table L1 club. I doubt we could afford him anyway.
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gshaw wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:27 pm
Joe315 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:37 pm FFP

HOW do they bring more money in ?
Get Ling to earn his (extremely large) wage at shifting Moncur, Thompson and Sweeney to League 2 clubs to free up money for wages. I'd cash in on Sotiriou and Happe too as both could attract a fee and can go for free in summer, calculated gamble but money is money. Drinan would've been on the list too but now he's injured I think no chance of moving on now.

Also fire the Set Piece Coach who should never have been appointed in the first place.
Shift how ?
Moncur Sweeney & Thompson can all say,
I'm stayin till my contracts done. The only way to clear them out is paying up Contracts.
Moncur 18 months Sweeney the same, Thompson wont be renewed. Happe won't do anything for the O's that threatens any move that benefits him.
Ruel you say who wants him ?
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:42 pm
Joe315 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:37 pm FFP

HOW do they bring more money in ?
We’re the only club struggling with FFP in League 1. Its all a load of bollocks.
We aren't struggling with FFP
We are struggling with Injured players &
A very poor style to those we have fit.
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Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:19 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:42 pm
Joe315 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:37 pm FFP

HOW do they bring more money in ?
We’re the only club struggling with FFP in League 1. Its all a load of bollocks.
We aren't struggling with FFP
We are struggling with Injured players &
A very poor style to those we have fit.
I know we’re not, but the owners are the only ones in the league talking about FFP.

I agree with the rest of it, injuries in areas we’re already light has f*cked us.
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:22 am
Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:19 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:42 pm
We’re the only club struggling with FFP in League 1. Its all a load of bollocks.
We aren't struggling with FFP
We are struggling with Injured players &
A very poor style to those we have fit.
I know we’re not, but the owners are the only ones in the league talking about FFP.
Can you show your workings here? If you're a Reading or Fleetwood fan, having a chairman talk about what the budget is on a podcast would feel like a godsend compared to having the person in charge jailed or completely absent.
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gshaw wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:19 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:15 pm So whose fault is it that we have had to spend our wage budget up front because of loads of injuries in August? Our wage money is spent and we have to wheel and deal.

Your only answer to everything is to put in more money. Keep on doing that and clubs get into serious trouble and you will still be blaming the same people if that happens.
If money is that tight you don't waste 50k on a set piece coach. Something is very suspect about it all.
As someone else said on here, staff budget is a seperate entity to playing budget.
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:22 am
Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:19 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:42 pm
We’re the only club struggling with FFP in League 1. Its all a load of bollocks.
We aren't struggling with FFP
We are struggling with Injured players &
A very poor style to those we have fit.
I know we’re not, but the owners are the only ones in the league talking about FFP.

I agree with the rest of it, injuries in areas we’re already light has f*cked us.
You sure about that ?
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Mistadobalina wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:27 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:22 am
Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:19 am

We aren't struggling with FFP
We are struggling with Injured players &
A very poor style to those we have fit.
I know we’re not, but the owners are the only ones in the league talking about FFP.
Can you show your workings here? If you're a Reading or Fleetwood fan, having a chairman talk about what the budget is on a podcast would feel like a godsend compared to having the person in charge jailed or completely absent.
Yes

I’ve heard our owners talk about FFP. I haven’t heard other owners talk about FFP.

Stevenage are a great example of how to do things properly.
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I’m afraid that it’s not going to happen chaps,I wish and hope it would but nah. However I think we have enough to stay up🙏
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:44 pm I can see Moncur, Beckles and when fit Drinan going out on loan in January to free up some Money and get some games, Defensively we haven’t been too bad but losing Graham was a real blow I would bring in a winger and a striker.
That is a big IF they want to go of course.
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:lol:

Come on. Are you seriously saying you are paying attention to what the owner of every single other clubs owner is saying in casual interviews?
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soloman wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:29 am
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:44 pm I can see Moncur, Beckles and when fit Drinan going out on loan in January to free up some Money and get some games, Defensively we haven’t been too bad but losing Graham was a real blow I would bring in a winger and a striker.
That is a big IF they want to go of course.
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:41 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:52 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:58 pm

Billy sharp
Billy Sharp has been mentioned on here before . It's an interesting idea but I don't know . It's down to the club to decide if whether we should go for him . He's a free agent after leaving LA Galaxy so if we decided we wanted him we could go for him straight away .
Do people think we could afford his wages.
Probably not but if you don't ask you don't get . At this stage of his career he might lower his expectations. Even if it's doable I'm still not sure about signing him .
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:07 pm
Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:41 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:52 pm

Billy Sharp has been mentioned on here before . It's an interesting idea but I don't know . It's down to the club to decide if whether we should go for him . He's a free agent after leaving LA Galaxy so if we decided we wanted him we could go for him straight away .
Do people think we could afford his wages.
Probably not but if you don't ask you don't get . At this stage of his career he might lower his expectations. Even if it's doable I'm still not sure about signing him .
Not a chance in hell im afraid
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Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:16 am
gshaw wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:27 pm
Joe315 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:37 pm FFP

HOW do they bring more money in ?
Get Ling to earn his (extremely large) wage at shifting Moncur, Thompson and Sweeney to League 2 clubs to free up money for wages. I'd cash in on Sotiriou and Happe too as both could attract a fee and can go for free in summer, calculated gamble but money is money. Drinan would've been on the list too but now he's injured I think no chance of moving on now.

Also fire the Set Piece Coach who should never have been appointed in the first place.
Shift how ?
Moncur Sweeney & Thompson can all say,
I'm stayin till my contracts done. The only way to clear them out is paying up Contracts.
Moncur 18 months Sweeney the same, Thompson wont be renewed. Happe won't do anything for the O's that threatens any move that benefits him.
Ruel you say who wants him ?
Indeed they can, though for Thompson it's about fixing himself up with a move for summer as it clearly won't be with us. Before hamstrings struck again would've said same for Drinan.

Sweeney might be open to a move to get game time and kick on as he's 3rd choice here at best.

Moncur is a difficult one, long contract and penny for this thoughts around why his fitness is proving such an issue. Again not sure how bothered / not he is by being benched, could be of interest for a higher L2 side though would likely be limited to local moves so... Gillingham

Sotiriou would be a worthwhile punt for the likes of Peterborough who have the luxury to put players in development for a while. Pocket change for them, vital funds for us.

Happe may well have something lined up, not sure how that January clause works will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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gshaw wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:56 pm
Joe315 wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:16 am
gshaw wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:27 pm

Get Ling to earn his (extremely large) wage at shifting Moncur, Thompson and Sweeney to League 2 clubs to free up money for wages. I'd cash in on Sotiriou and Happe too as both could attract a fee and can go for free in summer, calculated gamble but money is money. Drinan would've been on the list too but now he's injured I think no chance of moving on now.

Also fire the Set Piece Coach who should never have been appointed in the first place.
Shift how ?
Moncur Sweeney & Thompson can all say,
I'm stayin till my contracts done. The only way to clear them out is paying up Contracts.
Moncur 18 months Sweeney the same, Thompson wont be renewed. Happe won't do anything for the O's that threatens any move that benefits him.
Ruel you say who wants him ?
Indeed they can, though for Thompson it's about fixing himself up with a move for summer as it clearly won't be with us. Before hamstrings struck again would've said same for Drinan.

Sweeney might be open to a move to get game time and kick on as he's 3rd choice here at best.

Moncur is a difficult one, long contract and penny for this thoughts around why his fitness is proving such an issue. Again not sure how bothered / not he is by being benched, could be of interest for a higher L2 side though would likely be limited to local moves so... Gillingham

Sotiriou would be a worthwhile punt for the likes of Peterborough who have the luxury to put players in development for a while. Pocket change for them, vital funds for us.

Happe may well have something lined up, not sure how that January clause works will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Thompson will be coaching .
Sweeney will still be paid by us if he's farmed out on loan to a lower league club .
Moncur isn't going to Gillingham & why would
they take him ? No connection at all .

Just because Posh punted on Hector they won't be chancing anything on Ruel.

Happe 6 months before end of contract he can talk to who he wants & do what he wants really .

All we've done is provide Thompson wage then .
What else can we do have a go fund me ?
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Thompson for set piece coach?
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We cannot coast along as we have been, must take the bull by the horns and take stock otherwise it is the slippery slope. I am sure RW realises this but he must focus on his own discipline if he wants the team to listen to him and focus on the task in hand.
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Monkey Boy wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:28 am I’m afraid that it’s not going to happen chaps,I wish and hope it would but nah. However I think we have enough to stay up🙏
Unless we can bring in the right player or two next month I’m not so sure . Those Chesterfield and Lincoln games has the alarm bells ringing. I can understand we’re currently lacking in creativity but where is the heart , determination and desire to win gone to.
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BiggsyMalone wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:19 am
Mistadobalina wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:27 am
BiggsyMalone wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 10:22 am
I know we’re not, but the owners are the only ones in the league talking about FFP.
Can you show your workings here? If you're a Reading or Fleetwood fan, having a chairman talk about what the budget is on a podcast would feel like a godsend compared to having the person in charge jailed or completely absent.
Yes

I’ve heard our owners talk about FFP. I haven’t heard other owners talk about FFP.

Stevenage are a great example of how to do things properly.
I doubt if many fans of other clubs know what our owners say.
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Top of the JES wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:15 pm So whose fault is it that we have had to spend our wage budget up front because of loads of injuries in August? Our wage money is spent and we have to wheel and deal.

Your only answer to everything is to put in more money. Keep on doing that and clubs get into serious trouble and you will still be blaming the same people if that happens.
I think Teams can spend more than their budget if the money comes as a gift to the club from a director or outside source. I suspect clubs like clubs like Gillingham or Salford have done this in the past. If we need to spend more than the budget to keep us in L 1 this is one way of achieving this. The problem is who is going to be the provider
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:58 am
Monkey Boy wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:28 am I’m afraid that it’s not going to happen chaps,I wish and hope it would but nah. However I think we have enough to stay up🙏
Unless we can bring in the right player or two next month I’m not so sure . Those Chesterfield and Lincoln games has the alarm bells ringing. I can understand we’re currently lacking in creativity but where is the heart , determination and desire to win gone to.
Hi Red, yes you have a good point, many opinions on here point out different things that are going wrong at the moment, imo it’s not just down to one thing. A football club is a bit like a clock, if one of the cogs ain’t turning, then the whole watch stops, hows that for an analogy?😂 it’s down to Richie to sort that out and that’s what he gets paid for and as for the finances that’s obviously down to the board. Personally I wouldn’t hold your breath as far as spending money is concerned we are not a rich club🤷‍♀️
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