The trans debate

[Dunners]

Sorry to bring it down to that level, but you're all thinking it.

[Long slender neck]

It is understandable why Caster identifies female. How would you know what chromosones you have unless tested?

[CEB]

It is understandable why Caster identifies female. How would you know what chromosones you have unless tested?

Exactly. The problem isn’t Caster (who isn’t trans) - the problem is that the rules/policies were not designed to be robust enough to neutrally and fairly assess rare situations like Caster’s.

It absolutely makes sense that Caster was raised as female and assumed to be female (though it appears that the fact that Caster went through male puberty is where an element of deception crept in) but the facts are that Caster has male advantage in the female category

[CEB]

(The misleading thing in most coverage of Caster’s situation is describing her as having “unusually high testosterone”, which makes it sound like she’s a woman with a condition that results in high testosterone, a rare condition, but a condition women can have. In fact, the condition she has that results in high testosterone is “being male”, and her testosterone levels are exactly what would be expected in a male.

Basically her case is partly tragic because of a lack of understanding of her exact condition, and later it seeems that she’s been surrounded by people hiding the truth of her condition, while working within an environment that has kind of designed rules on the fly.

Male people where there is no question whatsoever that they’re male attempting to compete in the female category just muddies the waters further for people like Caster. But the fact is that physiologically, the meaningful comparison for her ability is to measure her against other male people

[CEB]

[CEB]

[Wally Banter]

CEB - at the risk of showing myself to be grossly ignorant in this area - is it your view that no-one would need to experience gender dysphoria if we lived in a world where people felt able to be and act however they wanted, with no social constructs around gender? Of course that may never be achieved, but it’s an interesting thought that sticks with me.

[CEB]

CEB - at the risk of showing myself to be grossly ignorant in this area - is it your view that no-one would need to experience gender dysphoria if we lived in a world where people felt able to be and act however they wanted, with no social constructs around gender? Of course that may never be achieved, but it’s an interesting thought that sticks with me.

I don’t know - I suspect that the phenomena of being unhappy with one’s sex would emerge in any culture where there are any expectations attached to one’s sex, or even where individuals could attach meanings to body types (I guess social constructs emerge ultimately from individual ideas that stick, anyway)

Ultimately - especially when you (or more to the point, “I”) step away from the areas of conflict and read what actual trans people say, it is absolutely cultural for those who subscribe to gender identity ideology. Male people who believe they are women do so because they project certain values, behaviours, traits onto women, and don’t consider them right for men, therefore they are women (sometimes this is about societal roles, comfort, other times it’s a fetishistic embodiment of their own regressive idea of feminine sexuality)

Meanwhile, women who identify as men often seem to do so not by projecting an idea of masculinity, but by rejecting societal expectations of women. (It often seems to me like it’s a natural next step after accepting that some male people are women because they’re feminine - if “femininity” now defines “femaleness”, then women who reject/escape femininity would seem more likely to identify out of womanhood)

[CEB]

Relevant:

[CEB]

To further answer your question - it’s important to remember that the mainstream activism doesn’t require dysphoria before demanding we accept someone’s trans identity - an assertion as to which gender “fits” (with or without intention to physically “transition”, and without any criteria for what it means to fit) is all that is required.

For those people driving the current form, abolishing gender roles is not something they’d want to do, because their identity is contingent on them.

[Oisin Hardy]

Relevant:

What's Sissy Porn CEB? I feel like you would be better than anyway to fill us in.

[CEB]

I don’t know who you are but all nine of your posts so far have been sh*t, so not getting into a discussion with you

[Oisin Hardy]

I don’t know who you are but all nine of your posts so far have been sh*t, so not getting into a discussion with you

No need to get defensive I'm not judging you, everyone needs a hobby after all.

For some it football, for others it's cross stitch, for you it seems it's "sissy porn".

Anyway back to your discussion.

[CEB]

CEB - at the risk of showing myself to be grossly ignorant in this area - is it your view that no-one would need to experience gender dysphoria if we lived in a world where people felt able to be and act however they wanted, with no social constructs around gender? Of course that may never be achieved, but it’s an interesting thought that sticks with me.

This is interesting in response to your question (second clip - I can’t see how to not post the first. The first is interesting but not relevant to your question)

[CEB]

I don’t know who you are but all nine of your posts so far have been sh*t, so not getting into a discussion with you

No need to get defensive I'm not judging you, everyone needs a hobby after all.

For some it football, for others it's cross stitch, for you it seems it's "sissy porn".

Anyway back to your discussion.

Aaah, it’s nice when your instincts are correct.

[faldO]

Trans woman who, at the Trans Pride+ Rally in London last Saturday, urged the crowd to "punch TERFs in the f**king face", arrested yesterday on suspicion of incitement to violence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lence.html

[CEB]

Is that the one with prior convictions who ate his own testicles?

[CEB]

When these policies get rolled back, as has happened here (after much campaigning from women demonised as TERFs and transphobes) it becomes clearer and clearer that this activism has over reached in nearly every area it has campaigned in, and been successful only by doing it as quietly as possible and trying to make questioning it a taboo

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... ter-review

[Long slender neck]

It seems that sports are correcting their rules now that the science has shown trans women would have a lasting advantage from male puberty.

[StillSpike]

I wonder if they'll start taking back medals

[Dunners]

They'll need to prise that 4th place, under 10s, girls colouring-in championship medal from my cold dead hands.

[Max B Gold]

Is that the one with prior convictions who ate his own testicles?

Don't know about the testicles but this one seems to have far bigger mental health issues. If its the one who has been in jail for a long time and other stuff.

[CEB]

You missed your chance to be taken seriously in this thread when you evaded the offer to discuss like adults

[Max B Gold]

You missed your chance to be taken seriously in this thread when you evaded the offer to discuss like adults

Sorry dad.

[Oisin Hardy]

You missed your chance to be taken seriously in this thread when you evaded the offer to discuss like adults

Sorry dad.

Basically Max you have been kicked out of Trans Studies by the teacher, now go stand outside while the rest have to listen to CEB obsess over this subject.