Russia / Ukraine Watch

[tuffers#1]

It was
That doesnt mean its

"quite conveniently overlooks the very considerable anti war movement which existed here at the time ".

1 million out of 65 million isnt considerable.
That would be 10 % of the population

p.s 1.2 million 23.03.19 1 million 19.10.2019 700,000 20.102018 marched in london for 2nd eu referendums , so not that unprecedented really .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ed_Kingdom

'A million people taking to the streets about a single issue isn't 'considerable'' is quite the hill to die on, but go on I guess.

I'm not dying on a hill , I'm just trying to find out why people protested about 1 war but didnt seem to give a f@ck about other ones . At least be consistant.

[tuffers#1]

It seems its OK when America invades countries, like they did with Iraq, and Libya, and possibly Afghanistan, but not OK when their perceived enemies attack.!

Like most I don't agree every time America invades a country, but unlike Russia in Ukraine, not sure Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan, were invaded with the intention of gaining territory and expanding their empire. Russia had already occupied the Crimea before the UN started shoring up defences. I can understand the Russians being concerned by the military build up, but suggesting that the UN was intending to invade Russia and that the invasion by Ukraine was justified is laughable. Ukraine had already conceded Crimea and you want them to end the war by conceding some more. Many wars are fought by countries that cant win, because they believe they are fighting for what is right.

I quite like disscussing things with you, because you put reasonable points, unlike Spen and others who just throw insults at me in mocking tones.
As for Crimea, i recently saw a video on you tube, in which an ex USA admiral was giving his view.
After the coup in Ukraine in 2013 in which a pro American regime was put in place, Russia believed, that Ukraine would invite American ships into the Black Sea, far too near Russia, for their liking, so Russia invaded and annexed Crimea, just to stop America using Back Sea ports.
How true that is, i dont know, but it sounds feasible, dont you think?

[The Mindsweep]

Russia doing some scorched earth atm

[Dunners]

It's not clear what's happened exactly, nor who it has been done by. The dam breach could be a result of previous sustained damage (it had been damaged in at least two previous incidents), or a targeted attack during the night. But both sides are blaming each other and it's not clear how either of them really benefit from this.

This will disrupt fresh water supplies to Crimea making it much harder for Russia to hold. But Ukraine will now have to deal with flooding down stream into Kherson and it makes amphibious river crossings a lot more difficult. Plus there's the impact on the Zaporizhizhia nuclear power plant.

[Long slender neck]

My first thought is that it could be a tactic to delay the Ukrainian counter offensive.

[ComeOnYouOs]

My first thought is that it could be a tactic to delay the Ukrainian counter offensive.

What Ukrainian counter offensive is that then?

[Dunners]

My money would be on it being Russia, and not Ukraine, that has destroyed the dam. But you cannot rule out structural collapse either.

[Long slender neck]

Comeonmearse

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ukraine+ ... +offensive

[ComeOnYouOs]

Comeonmearse

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ukraine+ ... +offensive

Tut.........resulting to personal insults again LSN?

[The Mindsweep]

Comeonmearse

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ukraine+ ... +offensive

That links to Mainstream Media which can't be trusted. Have you got one that links to blokes with webcams, far more reliable and trustworthy

[Dunners]

My first thought is that it could be a tactic to delay the Ukrainian counter offensive.

What Ukrainian counter offensive is that then?

It started back in early May with what is known as "shaping operations". These include attacks on logistics, dislocating operations on Russian territory and numerous probing operations as well as attacks on Russian ships in the Black Sea. The purpose is to create ambiguity in the Russian military command about where exactly the main thrust of any counteroffensive will be and when it will properly kick in.

This generates fatigue and confusion within Russian command, whilst Ukraine tests different sections of the front line for weaknesses. Once they find a weakness they will then focus their efforts there to see what opportunity brings. Ukraine have also lured Russian forces into the sunk-cost fallacy that is Bahkmut.

A UK intelligence update on 14 May assessed that Russian forces no longer had the operational capacity to respond effectively to emerging challenges elsewhere. On Saturday, using UK supplied Storm Shadow missiles, Ukraine destroyed the railway infrastructure around Melitopol. That was they key logistics hub for Russia to supply its front line in the region and for Crimea. It would be understandable if Russia was panicking right now and had therefore destroyed the dam.

[Long slender neck]

Comeonmearse

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ukraine+ ... +offensive

Tut.........resulting to personal insults again LSN?

Just a nickname, I mean no malice.

[The Mindsweep]

Comeonmearse

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ukraine+ ... +offensive

Tut.........resulting to personal insults again LSN?

If you like following single blokes, this guy is worth following. However, be warned, he appears regularly on CNN

[Max B Gold]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

[Long slender neck]

Article from where?

How gutted will you be when evil Russia loses?

[ComeOnYouOs]

Of course Ukraine will have to cede land in any peace talks. Crimea will never be Ukrainie again, and most of Donesk will have to be ceded.
The alternative is more of the death and destruction, we've seen in the last 16 months.
Nato is almost 100% responsible for this terrible war, with all its suffering, although Putin hasnt covered himself in glory either

[Dunners]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

That's plausible. There have been horrendous casualties on both sides, but Russia always had the numerical advantage.

I suspect that Ukraine has capability to recover some lost territory, and will do all they can to strengthen their negotiating position come any future peace talks. But it's unlikely they'd ever push Russian forces back to pre-Feb 2022 borders, never mind pre-2014.

Ceding land will be a massive political problem for Zelenskyy though, and it will mean that Russia will ultimately have some reward for their aggression.

[Dunners]

Nato is almost 100% responsible for this terrible war, with all its suffering, although Putin hasnt covered himself in glory either

The woman was almost 100% responsible for her rape, with her short skirt and that, although the rapist didn't cover himself in glory either.

[Real Al]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

I've not heard that any UK soldiers have been killed. Where did you read this?

[Max B Gold]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

That's plausible. There have been horrendous casualties on both sides, but Russia always had the numerical advantage.

I suspect that Ukraine has capability to recover some lost territory, and will do all they can to strengthen their negotiating position come any future peace talks. But it's unlikely they'd ever push Russian forces back to pre-Feb 2022 borders, never mind pre-2014.

Ceding land will be a massive political problem for Zelenskyy though, and it will mean that Russia will ultimately have some reward for their aggression.

Indeed. The reward for their aggression is a warning to NATO/US aggressors that further encroachment to the East is not acceptable and will be fiercely resisted.

They will aim to secure a buffer zone just like uncle Joe Stalin did when the USSR invaded Poland along with Hitler back in 1939.

Yes, Zelensky will have a major problem with his neo nazi brigades if there is any suggestion of surrendering areas of the Fatherland.

[Max B Gold]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

I've not heard that any UK soldiers have been killed. Where did you read this?

The original article I was referring too. Will see if I can find the UK soldier thing again, now found see below.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/05/31/g ... r-ukraine/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/b ... 88064.html

[Mistadobalina]

Was reading an interesting article the other day about the lack of front line reporting being substituted for pure propaganda.

The article notes that this is changing slightly given that Ukraine doesn't have the capability to win. Apparently most of the combat troops to be used in the "counter offensive" are badly equipped, raw, poorly trained recruits. The Russians have destroyed key materiel. One example being the British missiles destroyed and UK soldiers killed a few days ago.

It sounds as if the US realises it has drained the maximum Russian capability possible for now and peace talks could follow. To bring the Russians to the table the "counter offensive" has to have a significant impact but need not be decisive. I suspect that Ukraine will need to cede land in the contested regions as part of any agreement.

That's plausible. There have been horrendous casualties on both sides, but Russia always had the numerical advantage.

I suspect that Ukraine has capability to recover some lost territory, and will do all they can to strengthen their negotiating position come any future peace talks. But it's unlikely they'd ever push Russian forces back to pre-Feb 2022 borders, never mind pre-2014.

Ceding land will be a massive political problem for Zelenskyy though, and it will mean that Russia will ultimately have some reward for their aggression.

Indeed. The reward for their aggression is a warning to NATO/US aggressors that further encroachment to the East is not acceptable and will be fiercely resisted.

They will aim to secure a buffer zone just like uncle Joe Stalin did when the USSR invaded Poland along with Hitler back in 1939.

Yes, Zelensky will have a major problem with his neo nazi brigades if there is any suggestion of surrendering areas of the Fatherland.

They've brought NATO closer to it's borders than ever before. Sweden, Finland and very possibly Ukraine as part of any peace settlement will be in NATO, and I wouldn't be surprised if Georgia joined off the back of this as well. Their 'buffer zone' would be tiny and their ability to bully neighbours permanently reduced by how shown up they have been.

[Max B Gold]

That's plausible. There have been horrendous casualties on both sides, but Russia always had the numerical advantage.

I suspect that Ukraine has capability to recover some lost territory, and will do all they can to strengthen their negotiating position come any future peace talks. But it's unlikely they'd ever push Russian forces back to pre-Feb 2022 borders, never mind pre-2014.

Ceding land will be a massive political problem for Zelenskyy though, and it will mean that Russia will ultimately have some reward for their aggression.

Indeed. The reward for their aggression is a warning to NATO/US aggressors that further encroachment to the East is not acceptable and will be fiercely resisted.

They will aim to secure a buffer zone just like uncle Joe Stalin did when the USSR invaded Poland along with Hitler back in 1939.

Yes, Zelensky will have a major problem with his neo nazi brigades if there is any suggestion of surrendering areas of the Fatherland.

They've brought NATO closer to it's borders than ever before. Sweden, Finland and very possibly Ukraine as part of any peace settlement will be in NATO, and I wouldn't be surprised if Georgia joined off the back of this as well. Their 'buffer zone' would be tiny and their ability to bully neighbours permanently reduced by how shown up they have been.

NATO are as close as they've always been. They just have two new members to formalise the arrangements.

Georgia joining NATO would be seriously problematic and a further provocation to Russia.

We don't yet know the extent of the buffer zone because the war continues but the capture of Bakhmut by the Russians is more strategically significant than is being made out by the western media.

[Max B Gold]

Re article I referred to above.

This is the right one.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/06/01/p ... ed-to-see/

[Long slender neck]

Not clicking that, looks dodgy.