Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:20 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me if they called an election, handing the sh*t show over to Labour, knowing there’s nothing they can do to stop it getting worse. Then they spend 5 years unable to actually do anything because of the economy and then 12 more years of tories
That will be the total focus of tory strategists at the moment.
Whatever happens it will always be "me" first, party second and f*** everyone else.
CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:10 pm
Nah I think you’re glossing over that they will not be allowed to just push it through like that. The next appointment will need to have something to give it credibility, something to acknowledge how badly wrong it went. Giving it to those who were less popular than the one who won a month ago will not wash, without going to the polls.
Maybe - but they've already thrust Truss upon us without any mandate (not to mention May & Boris previously) so it's not like they're overly bothered about credibility.
Sunak was only less popular with the ageing Tory membership. Regardless of your political leanings, it's hard to disagree that he was clearly the "better" of the 2 candidates. Truss was only successful as the Mail / Telegraph and Express put their thumb on the scales to see her over the line with the membership. The PLP put Sunak 1st in every round so he'd clearly present as the candidate to unite the Tories.
Not sure how you think a GE would happen anyway? Labour would need to win a vote on no confidence to force one which would involve over 35 tories (many of which are in very marginal seats) voting against the government. Never underestimate how much these fuckers want to hang on to power.
“Maybe - but they've already thrust Truss upon us without any mandate (not to mention May & Boris previously) so it's not like they're overly bothered about credibility.”
They’re not *overly* bothered, but they are *bothered*
May & Johnson both sought to solidify/validate their premiership with GEs - though admittedly while expected to win - and it was already an issue that Truss was in position without being elected. If she goes, the Tories are demonstrably admitting that their process of electing a leader isn’t even good enough for the party, let alone the country.
IMO the only question behind the scenes is whether Truss goes down with the ship, and calls an election as soon as possible, or Sunak is put in position, calls an election on the discreet understanding that he’s likely to lose but will be given a fair crack at the job of party leader after the election anyway
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:21 pm
Why would the the most calculating and successful political party in the Western World vote for an election when they're circa 30 points behind in the polls?
Absolutely! They are obviously total professionals and have excellent judgement in all they do.
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:57 am
I can't believe people think the tories will call an election when they've got 2 years guaranteed in power.
If Boris gets elected they may have to as the Tories will split and there may be enough rebels to support a vote of no confidence in him. Not sure how those numbers look at this point.
Also Boris could win and announce some popular policies like Energy plan for next 2 years, pension triple lock guarantee, build 40 new NHS hospitals. Of course it will have to happen quickly before the affects of the deepest recession since the 30s hit. I note the markets are jittery again today.
Adz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:57 am
I can't believe people think the tories will call an election when they've got 2 years guaranteed in power.
If Boris gets elected they may have to as the Tories will split and there may be enough rebels to support a vote of no confidence in him. Not sure how those numbers look at this point.
Also Boris could win and announce some popular policies like Energy plan for next 2 years, pension triple lock guarantee, build 40 new NHS hospitals. Of course it will have to happen quickly before the affects of the deepest recession since the 30s hit. I note the markets are jittery again today.
Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:33 pm
Slightly off topic, but one or two major international investment banks are looking very unstable right now. If they go belly up the contagion could also hit us and add to our woes. And given how the 2020s are going so far, I'm not feeling optimistic.
Which ones? I haven't heard anything on the grapevine at my place