Death Penalty

[tuffers#1]

I read about Sri Lanka hiring new hangmen. They had plenty of applicants, but who would apply for a job like that apart, and how do you go about training them?

Well its only pulling a lever at the end of the day
Not alot of brain power needed for it.

In fact the less you have the easier to do .

No moral self questioning etc.

[greyhound]

hang em high.

[Proposition Joe]

100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.

Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.

So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?

[Mikero]

The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.

Mikero

[Thor]

I read about Sri Lanka hiring new hangmen. They had plenty of applicants, but who would apply for a job like that apart, and how do you go about training them?

Well its only pulling a lever at the end of the day
Not alot of brain power needed for it.

In fact the less you have the easier to do .

No moral self questioning etc.

I know someone who will be good at that job, step forward Cream, like you say no brain power required, must be good pay as he can then buy a kids season ticket in the north and ghost the kid and no complain any longer. Everyone’s a winner, you know it makes sense.

[Stowaway]

I read about Sri Lanka hiring new hangmen. They had plenty of applicants, but who would apply for a job like that apart, and how do you go about training them?

Well its only pulling a lever at the end of the day
Not alot of brain power needed for it.

In fact the less you have the easier to do .

No moral self questioning etc.

I know someone who will be good at that job, step forward Cream, like you say no brain power required, must be good pay as he can then buy a kids season ticket in the north and ghost the kid and no complain any longer. Everyone’s a winner, you know it makes sense.

Says the man who’s just been thoroughly kicked out of the park by PJ.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.

Mikero

Make them legal then.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.

Mikero

Make them legal then.

Yup. These low level mules don’t even get any money for dealing drugs. They do it for free

[Mikero]

Legality will not solve anything as the gangs will undercut any shop price. Remember legal drugs will have to be of medicinal quality making them expensive, especially when VAT is added on. They will also have to be of a consistant purity, probably of a fairly low level. Street drugs can be of whatever strength they want to make them and cost very little to produce as the buildings, electricity and staff are all stolen or slaves. The gangs would make less money certainly, but this would make them even more likely to get involved in turf wars.

Mikero

[CreamofSumYungGai]

The main problem with a death penalty for drugs offences is that it is only going to apply to the lower level criminals who have been coersed or brutalised into doing the work by the gangs. The bosses controlling the market will not be touched having police, politicians and judges in their pockets. What is the point of killing a few mules.

Mikero

Make them legal then.

Yup. These low level mules don’t even get any money for dealing drugs. They do it for free

I'm not sure you understand how the drug networks operaty, dohy.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Legality will not solve anything as the gangs will undercut any shop price. Remember legal drugs will have to be of medicinal quality making them expensive, especially when VAT is added on. They will also have to be of a consistant purity, probably of a fairly low level. Street drugs can be of whatever strength they want to make them and cost very little to produce as the buildings, electricity and staff are all stolen or slaves. The gangs would make less money certainly, but this would make them even more likely to get involved in turf wars.

Mikero

Are there gangs running around selling bootleg booze?

[Thor]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

So the drug dealers have won? Prison, wrong people get arrested, legalise, that won’t work.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.

Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.

So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?

Don’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.

So let’s lock up more criminals. Who gives a sh*t about overcrowding, if it’s really uncomfortable maybe they won’t want to rush back.

[Max B Gold]

Legality will not solve anything as the gangs will undercut any shop price. Remember legal drugs will have to be of medicinal quality making them expensive, especially when VAT is added on. They will also have to be of a consistant purity, probably of a fairly low level. Street drugs can be of whatever strength they want to make them and cost very little to produce as the buildings, electricity and staff are all stolen or slaves. The gangs would make less money certainly, but this would make them even more likely to get involved in turf wars.

Mikero

Make the drugs more affordable by exempting them from VAT.

Make the drugs of consistently better quality than street drugs. That way the customer will be brand loyal.

Treat the drug issue as a medical problem rather than a criminal one.

[Max B Gold]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Max has some valid points. If as a country we cannot produce drugs cheaper than the criminals I would be surprised. Better quality on prescription at a much reduced price, the benefits being less crime, and combine it with the option to help people kick the habit altogether.

Sure the drug dealers will still have a market but perhaps life for them will get a whole lot tougher.

Once a system is in place, those caught peddling drugs should get severe jail sentences. One way of getting them off the streets for a longggggggg time.

[Thor]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.

OK now that’s a different argument. If your an addict then that would work, crime should not be affected as they won’t need to steal to fund the habit. It is an illness, it needs help, support and treatment to try and cure it.

Now let’s take the so called middle class, lots of those people have a habit, quite expensive one as well probably. What’s to stop them saying I’m an addict and getting it for free when they have the means and disposable income to fund it? How would it be policed?

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.

OK now that’s a different argument. If your an addict then that would work, crime should not be affected as they won’t need to steal to fund the habit. It is an illness, it needs help, support and treatment to try and cure it.

Now let’s take the so called middle class, lots of those people have a habit, quite expensive one as well probably. What’s to stop them saying I’m an addict and getting it for free when they have the means and disposable income to fund it? How would it be policed?

How is. That different from people on good incomes getting all sorts of stuff on the NHS despite the means to pay for it themselves. Other than of course via the taxation system they currently contribute to. Sure, it’s social, but providing it’s linked to stopping the habit it’s likely to be reducing NHS costs further down the line.

[Lucky7]

The newly appointed hangman for Sri Lanka will receive approx $200 dollars a month salary

[Long slender neck]

100k per prisoner per year, wow. Even our 50k per prisoner per year is mental. Genuine people who've never committed a crime struggle on way way less than that, yet we spend it trying to get a scumbag to change his ways and by the looks of it failing to do so.

Give them longer sentences without parole and I'm sure their attitudes will change pretty quickly.

So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?

Don’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.

So let’s lock up more criminals. Who gives a sh*t about overcrowding, if it’s really uncomfortable maybe they won’t want to rush back.

Dont forget Profit.

[Long slender neck]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.

They wont be FREE, somebody has to pay.

[StillSpike]

So £50k a year to lock someone up is 'mental', yet your answer is...longer prison sentences?

Don’t know how they arrive at that figure. Would guess it’s buildings, staff, pensions etc plus prisoners keep. Divided by the number of prisoners. So a big part is fixed costs, I’m guessing. Mathematically the cost per prisoner is likely to reduce the more inmates you have.

So let’s lock up more criminals. Who gives a sh*t about overcrowding, if it’s really uncomfortable maybe they won’t want to rush back.

Dont forget Profit.

Plus the extra millions that G4S and Serco banked for "tagging" people who were already freed, or dead !

This privatisation lark is just a massive con job.

[StillSpike]

Yes there is cream.

In respect to the drugs if they were legalised then certain people in society wont be able to afford them so the dealers will still have a market to sell to. It wont stop the drug trade it will only drive it further underground with potentially worse quality product and crime will still be there if not worse as they need the funds to buy it all.

As above if addiction is properly medicalise then drugs can be provided free via prescription. That way no crime needs to take place to fund the habit.

They wont be FREE, somebody has to pay.

Think of all the money saved from not having to prosecute people for drugs offences - not having to police all the turf wars and their consequences - reduced crime. I'd guess that the cost of production of legalised drugs would be a drop in the ocean of savings.

[Long slender neck]

But what about having a load of mentalists on drugs everywhere?