Tory Watch

[tuffers#1]

Laura has to appease the media rules

[Max B Gold]

When is Laura going to be asked when she first knew No 10 was party Central?

[JimbO]

How long after the the Gray report is released will Bojo announce a windfall tax on the Energy companies. I'm betting within 48 hrs.

The Bloke really is a tw*t rather let people struggle and save his own flabby arris then help people struggling to put food on the table.

[Dunners]

Lots of stuff coming out in the Sue Gray report, but this is the worst bit for me:

"I was made aware of multiple examples of a lack of respect and poor treatment of security and cleaning staff. This was unacceptable."

That quote speaks volumes.

[Max B Gold]

Lots of stuff coming out in the Sue Gray report, but this is the worst bit for me:

"I was made aware of multiple examples of a lack of respect and poor treatment of security and cleaning staff. This was unacceptable."

That quote speaks volumes.

Bullingdon liars, snobs and bullies

[Long slender neck]

Jesus Christ, just resign.

[Mistadobalina]

Jesus Christ, just resign.

Think he's calling on Starmer to resign instead.

Haven't watched the debate but sounds like Johnson is doing blustery attack everyone and obfuscate shtick, not the grovelling apologetic sthick. Got the impression that this didn't go down at all well with his party before and doubt it will this time as it shows just how lacking in contrition he is. The guy genuinely doesn't believe he's done anything wrong.

Absolute stain on the country that this man is leader. He's been exactly the type of self serving, dishonest, corrupt f*ckhead we expected.

[JimbO]

Listening live of the Parliamentary Uk debate on the Sue G report on the BBC

I tell you in the Uk this.

The Australian Public last Saturday voted the Liberal Party ( Blue ) out of office. They performed very badly in the ballot box and much of their safe seats, blue ribbon seats, were lost for the first time. The outgoing prime minister was disliked.

The conservative blue in the uk appears to be in the early stages of going the same way at the next election.

Boris repeatly states “he takes full responsibility”. - but it is others that have been replaced at No 10.

In Australia we had similar, with different events
- the bushfires with the then prime minister going on holiday to Hawaii being forced to return due to public outrage - but never showing genuine empathy and action to all the regions where houses infrastructure and business were totally burnt out.

He did not resign - but climate action was one of the reasons others gained power on Saturday.

Boris is a great talker at the despatch box - but he will lose the next election too.

The uk public ain’t mugs blue or red votes both dislike hypocrisy and the inability to be straight.

Personally think that if he's still running the country in two years time that the tories will still get in but only narrowly with his majority massively reduced to something like 10 seats I'm afraid.

Also think that they might keep him on for another year or so and then bail on him as the election approaches.

[ComeOnYouOs]

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs, and while they think their seats are safe, they will do nothing.
As soon as they feel threatened, that their seats are in danger of being lost, they will get rid of Johnson.
Morality and doing the right thing, doesn't come into it.
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

[Max B Gold]

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs, and while they think their seats are safe, they will do nothing.
As soon as they feel threatened, that their seats are in danger of being lost, they will get rid of Johnson.
Morality and doing the right thing, doesn't come into it.
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

He will be gone after the by elections.

[tuffers#1]

Self Serving Con

[tuffers#1]

Self Serving Con

Tuff as you troll my posts fine - some time’s what you say after I post is acceptable -

However if the above extract is directed to me best correct you ;

1. I do not believe in the conservative theme or policies generally since around late 80 and early 90. After I left the uk in late 95 I did not vote as a overseas citizen of the uk.
2. I actually quite liked the liberals when Joe Grimmond was around. - not with Thorpe
3. Abroad I have never voted liberal which is your uk conservative as I dislike the usual smirky candidates they present - usually a lawyer type and the policies do not suit my thoughts- as I have a social empathy to people that maybe economically not going well.

Last week here I voted Greens / and independents with a preference of labour above liberals further down the list of six as we have to pick 6 here or the vote is classified as invalid

Greens emphasised saving the planet on climate and integrity in parliament
The three independent were a male doctor now wanting to be a political person / a women scientist / a ex international rugby union player now wanting to also be a political person.

Thanks for following all my posts - the evidence is I ain’t a self serving conservative.

Just echoing your previous post, they are selling a self serving con . Not about any personal view .

[spen666]

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I have never voted labour - I am into free enterprise however I believe labour want the best for the average people.

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Want and produce are different things

.Every labour government has left power with unemployment higher than when they entered office ( 1 short term exception- Ramsay MacDonald's Jan-Nov 1924)).

Labour may want the best, but they produce the opposite

[spen666]

Regarding the comment about the conservative having less unemployed

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If you are referring to my post, I have not mentioned the Conservatives, nor tried to make any comparison.

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

The Labour policies do not produce better for the population when it leaves more of them unemployed than when they started.

As I said intention and product are different things.

[Long slender neck]

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs, and while they think their seats are safe, they will do nothing.
As soon as they feel threatened, that their seats are in danger of being lost, they will get rid of Johnson.
Morality and doing the right thing, doesn't come into it.
If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

You just said

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs

So what has the opposition got to do with it? I dont remember Corbyn ousting the Tories

[JimbO]

How long after the the Gray report is released will Bojo announce a windfall tax on the Energy companies. I'm betting within 48 hrs.

The Bloke really is a tw*t rather let people struggle and save his own flabby arris then help people struggling to put food on the table.

Bob on I've seen less transparent glass than the Tory Party

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-61591398

[spen666]

Regarding the comment about the conservative having less unemployed

....

If you are referring to my post, I have not mentioned the Conservatives, nor tried to make any comparison.

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

The Labour policies do not produce better for the population when it leaves more of them unemployed than when they started.

As I said intention and product are different things.

You don’t have to expressly state the actual word conservative to convey or imply.

This thread basically as a theme of the dynamics of labour opposed to conservatives (before you posted my extract with your comment on what you think my motive was ie “whataboutery “ a word that is not generally used in the English language in my world)

You are a solicitor please don’t play mind games, ie don’t create hypothetical situation based of thought of others ie what I may be doing or not doing ie by your interpretation.

I am grateful you keep on giving me the chance to repeat the fact that every labour government ( bar the 9 month MacDonald government) has left power with unemployment higher than when they came into power.


That is not a comparison with the Tories. It has nothing to do with the Tory record.


it is a comparison of your claim Labour has the best interests of people as its intention with the product of its policies which is more people out of work.

As for playing mind games or creating hypothetical situations, If you actually read what I posted, it is factually correct. Its is not playing mind games, nor is it hypothetical.

Every Labour government has left power with more people unemployed than when it came into power ( save the MacDonald short term government)

Its fact , not mind games or hypothetical.

Facts can be so annoying when you are trying to spin a point.



PS I'm a Chartered Accountant and a Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of England & Wales, but don't worry about that fact either

[Long slender neck]

You're assuming that higher unemployment means people are worse off.

[tuffers#1]

[Dunners]

If there was a decent opposition, the time when they dump Johnson would be nearer, but there isn't, and I think we could be stuck with the fat liar for years to come

You just said

The only people who can get rid of Johnson, are Tory MPs

So what has the opposition got to do with it? I dont remember Corbyn ousting the Tories

If anything, he managed the exact opposite.

[Give it to Jabo]

Energy Prices: would it not be far simpler and far less Burdensome to execute a windfall tax rather than deal with each householder? I don’t get it.

[Max Fowler]

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

[spen666]

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

If you want the stats, do the research. I'm not making any comparison between Labour and any other government.


Whether the Daily Mail quote the soundbite or not doesn't change the facts about Labour governments & unemployment namely that :

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

[Max Fowler]

You are adopting Whataboutery tactics to deflect from the fact that every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

If you want the stats, do the research. I'm not making any comparison between Labour and any other government.


Whether the Daily Mail quote the soundbite or not doesn't change the facts about Labour governments & unemployment namely that :

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

Ok, in which case I'll add:

Every Tory government has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is easy.

[spen666]

This is a lovely soundbite, the sort of fact someone like the Daily Mail love to repeat.

Do you have the stats for the tory governments leaving office?

If you want the stats, do the research. I'm not making any comparison between Labour and any other government.


Whether the Daily Mail quote the soundbite or not doesn't change the facts about Labour governments & unemployment namely that :

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

Ok, in which case I'll add:

Every Tory government has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.

This is easy.

Except that is not true



The labour one however is true

every Labour government, apart from the short McDonald government of approx 9 months, has left power with unemployment higher than when it took power.




Besides, my post was not a comparison between parties, it was a responses to Anthem of Hope saying Labour aimed to help the working man. I was pointing out the difference between intentions and the product.


Sadly you seem to want yo turn it I to a false comparison between parties by making up lies