We really need to know who's responsible for the January signings

[Long slender neck]

AW- You are one of many of the long standing Ling critics and thats fine(I havent banned anyone for it), I dont think I need to fish out posts to prove that.

I also think its a bit crass to talk about whether someone could commit suicide or not. We cant have public figures beyond criticism in case they harm themselves. But also, some people will use any excuse to have a pop at people they dont like and some of these topics we've been over several times now.

He doesnt do social media anyway.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

It Bothers Him Wums
He may say it doesnt but thats Machismo for you.


3-4 years of Ling abuse on this forum on Facebook pages are bullying by many not just you .

Ling picks his son so its Nepotism
Actually Justin Ross & others picked his son.

The DoF is to blame always they shout .

Why ?

The Owners Employ him
They set the budgets
They set the Formula & structure .

How is that any fault of the DoF .

Half Wits everywhwre shouting to
Other Half Wits

BLAME LING .
Because some Fool decided he didnt like the
Way Ling answered a question once .

Nitt picking was how his problems 1st started
Be it by His CUFC boss or Fans or Media ..

Time for the Hate to Stop
As all it is Hate .

I get that people take it to far. But that’s never me imo. It’s always an opinion purely on his ability of his job. If we can’t scrutinise or share opinions of players or staff (in a respectful way) then what’s the point of the forum really? Especially if you’re going to be accused of potentially factoring into ending someone’s life. That’s more responsibility than I want to take for sharing an opinion on someone’s role at my club. Again, if you can find anything you think goes beyond the line then please let me know. I’ll apologise unreservedly. But really not sure I feel comfortable on the board if you cannot freely express non abusive opinions.

1 missile didnt destroy Mariupol
1000s over a prolonged period did .

You may think its a drop in the Ocean
But every ocean is full of drops .

You used to be sensible wums
What happened ?

If Ling cannot take reasoned scrutiny then he shouldn’t be in the job. I’m sure he knows this to.

I take your point but I think you’re wrong with your accusation.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

AW- You are one of many of the long standing Ling critics and thats fine(I havent banned anyone for it), I dont think I need to fish out posts to prove that.

I also think its a bit crass to talk about whether someone could commit suicide or not. We cant have public figures beyond criticism in case they harm themselves. But also, some people will use any excuse to have a pop at people they dont like and some of these topics we've been over several times now.

He doesnt do social media anyway.

I literally called ling an Orient legend the other day. Any criticism is either fact or how I see it based on football outcomes and nothing less.

If it’s acceptable for someone sharing an opinion to be called a bully and that the person in question might top themselves then the board isn’t for me. It’s completely out of line and wrong.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

That’s all I’ll say on it now. Ridiculous day on here and pretty hurtful.

[tuffers#1]

If you cannot take reasoned scrutiny into your views
then maybe you shouldn’t be on here .
I’m sure you know this to !

[LittleMate]

I can't believe Ling pushed Frank Nouble's name forward. KJ knew him and everyone went along with KJ's view that big Frank could be the messiah. In fact he's just a very naughty boy!!

[Max Fowler]

We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

Yep, all of this.

The fact Wellens has come in as Head Coach rather than Manager, as KJ was, kind of worries me that he won't be given full control and it'll still be The Committee ie Ling making calls on what players we bring in.

Hang on, I'm a bit confused now.
So, Kenny was a 'Manager' and therefore had full control over who he brought in - which means that it was ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Wellens is only a Head Coach and therefore does not have full control over who is brought in - which means that it is ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Did I get it right ?

No, you didn’t.

- KJ had the title ‘manager’ but it has been well documented he only suggested the areas he wanted strengthening, The Committee then identified and Ling sourced those players.

- People have said they hope RW has full control over the recruit ent process.

- I said that’s unlikely given the down grading in title - if even a ‘manager’ has to accept the players given to him, a ‘head coach’ definitely will.

[Max Fowler]

We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

Yep, all of this.

The fact Wellens has come in as Head Coach rather than Manager, as KJ was, kind of worries me that he won't be given full control and it'll still be The Committee ie Ling making calls on what players we bring in.

Hang on, I'm a bit confused now.
So, Kenny was a 'Manager' and therefore had full control over who he brought in - which means that it was ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Wellens is only a Head Coach and therefore does not have full control over who is brought in - which means that it is ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Did I get it right ?

No, you didn’t.

- KJ had the title ‘manager’ but it has been well documented he only suggested the areas he wanted strengthening, The Committee then identified and Ling sourced those players.

- People have said they hope RW has full control over the recruit ent process.

- I said that’s unlikely given the down grading in title - if even a ‘manager’ has to accept the players given to him, a ‘head coach’ definitely will.

[The Big Shot]

Travis says here from 8.20 that it was Jackett who brought the players in.

[tuffers#1]

I can't believe Ling pushed Frank Nouble's name forward. KJ knew him and everyone went along with KJ's view that big Frank could be the messiah. In fact he's just a very naughty boy!!

Ling didnt push Noubles name
What was left in the budget meant it was Nouble & others of the same calibre or worse .


If the Budget is bigger then better players would be available , its not Rocket Science

[PutneyO]

Theres only one positive thing to say about Frank Nouble and that is, anyone can become a professional footballer

[RedDwarf 1881]

Travis says here from 8.20 that it was Jackett who brought the players in.

Did Jackett bring in Coleman ?

[Chelmsford Swimmer]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

[tuffers#1]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

Thats what The Half Wits say .
Its clear anyone who believes it is a HALF WIT !

[RedDwarf 1881]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

No , Jackett did bring in some bad players during January and that’s one of the reasons why he’s left the building.

[tuffers#1]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

No , Jackett did bring in some bad players during January and that’s one of the reasons why he’s left the building.

Owners covering for a Top 8 Budget !

[Chocolate_brownie]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

Thats what The Half Wits say .
Its clear anyone who believes it is a HALF WIT !

You have to be one of the biggest hypocrites going. You have the audacity to claim that another boarder could potentially play a part in someone taking their own life due to “bullying” on this message board, and yet you yourself are regularly bullying individuals here, calling everyone you disagree with a “half wit”. That genuinely is bullying.

You’re a nasty, hypocritical individual. The moderators should boot your off this board for that alone. The fact that you trash every single comment thread with your barely comprehensible drivel is another reason you should be rested from here.

[Chief crazy horse]

If you cannot take reasoned scrutiny into your views
then maybe you shouldn’t be on here .
I’m sure you know this to !

This statement is truly hilarious coming from you...

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I’ve had some thought and I agree I don’t think I should be on here, being a half wit and all who could be responsible for someone’s suicide. That’s too much responsibility. Go easy, chaps.

[Dohnut]

Travis says here from 8.20 that it was Jackett who brought the players in.

That’s not quite what he said. He followed by by saying decisions evolve, no one person makes them, you don’t always get who you want because players go elsewhere and the situation changes every day.

It also contradicts what Ling sail about what Moss coming in and how he describes the list being created. And how he claims his business transactions have made money for the club.

I can well believe KJ saying I want a CM and getting one. I can well believe KJ saying he wants a RB and getting one. So he gets the player’s he wants. Not quite the same. This is management speak, not a lie but not always the full story. Paints a picture.

Are we to believe KJ specifically asked for Nouble, Ray, Moss. Asking for them by name? I would be surprised, it just don’t work like that. Maybe the odd occasion, like Pratley. He will ask for players in positions and he will get players in those positions, so he gets everything he asks for in positions he identifies.

That is vastly different to getting the specific players he wants. That is a committee decision.

[The Big Shot]

Travis says here from 8.20 that it was Jackett who brought the players in.

That’s not quite what he said. He followed by by saying decisions evolve, no one person makes them, you don’t always get who you want because players go elsewhere and the situation changes every day.

It also contradicts what Ling sail about what Moss coming in and how he describes the list being created. And how he claims his business transactions have made money for the club.

I can well believe KJ saying I want a CM and getting one. I can well believe KJ saying he wants a RB and getting one. So he gets the player’s he wants. Not quite the same. This is management speak, not a lie but not always the full story. Paints a picture.

Are we to believe KJ specifically asked for Nouble, Ray, Moss. Asking for them by name? I would be surprised, it just don’t work like that. Maybe the odd occasion, like Pratley. He will ask for players in positions and he will get players in those positions, so he gets everything he asks for in positions he identifies.

That is vastly different to getting the specific players he wants. That is a committee decision.

From 31.00-33.00 in this recent interview with Ling, he says that Jackett made these signings and that it was his decision does he not? He also says in that 2 minute time slot that the transfer commitee just decide if the signings the manager wants are financially viable.

Are you suggetsing that in this interview Ling is lying? Or is there some spin on the point you're making or spin on the point that Lings making that I am missing?

[Dohnut]

Travis says here from 8.20 that it was Jackett who brought the players in.

That’s not quite what he said. He followed by by saying decisions evolve, no one person makes them, you don’t always get who you want because players go elsewhere and the situation changes every day.

It also contradicts what Ling sail about what Moss coming in and how he describes the list being created. And how he claims his business transactions have made money for the club.

I can well believe KJ saying I want a CM and getting one. I can well believe KJ saying he wants a RB and getting one. So he gets the player’s he wants. Not quite the same. This is management speak, not a lie but not always the full story. Paints a picture.

Are we to believe KJ specifically asked for Nouble, Ray, Moss. Asking for them by name? I would be surprised, it just don’t work like that. Maybe the odd occasion, like Pratley. He will ask for players in positions and he will get players in those positions, so he gets everything he asks for in positions he identifies.

That is vastly different to getting the specific players he wants. That is a committee decision.

From 31.00-33.00 in this recent interview with Ling, he says that Jackett made these signings and that it was his decision does he not? He also says in that 2 minute time slot that the transfer commitee just decide if the signings the manager wants are financially viable.

Are you suggetsing that in this interview Ling is lying? Or is there some spin on the point you're making or spin on the point that Lings making that I am missing?

I’ve never accused anyone of lying. Nor will I ever. Let me make that clear. What I am saying and what is equally clear is that how things are presented can often be just part of the truth. Not a lie, just not the full story. Happens in business, certainly happens in politics and I can tell you quite definitely it happens in Board/Management presentations. I’ve done it myself.

Caution is always wise.

If the Board say KJ asked for Moss, Coleman, Nouble, Ray, Brown by name, I would believe them. But it begat the question, why does Ling produce his lists, why have a committee.

[gshaw]

KJ asked for the likes of Crowley who NT admitted we failed to get. Gallen gave further names who moved to other clubs in L2.

Ling said he'd been tracking Coleman well before KJ arrived.

KJ asked for players, he got the 5th or 6th option, perhaps not even that. No wonder he looked disinterested from December onwards. Difference being at the tail end of his career he doesn't need to care if he ends his contract with success or a sacking / payoff.

The way KJ deliberately played a CM of U23 players seems similar in a way to what RW did on Tuesday. Making a point of which players aren't up to scratch.

All comes down to how that gets resolved over summer whether Wellens gets a realistic chance to succeed or becomes yet another Orient managerial casualty. I really hope it's the former as he has the personality and nous to do great things here if given the backing.

[PoundhillO]

The only way for our club to go forward and get promotion is for Ritchie to choose who stays and who goes at the end of the season and equally as important chooses which players he wants to bring in without any interference from the so called Transfer Committee.

[tuffers#1]

I've read the message board thoroughly and its clear. The manager brings in all the good players, and Ling brings in all the crap players, never vice versa.

Thats what The Half Wits say .
Its clear anyone who believes it is a HALF WIT !

You have to be one of the biggest hypocrites going. You have the audacity to claim that another boarder could potentially play a part in someone taking their own life due to “bullying” on this message board, and yet you yourself are regularly bullying individuals here, calling everyone you disagree with a “half wit”. That genuinely is bullying.

You’re a nasty, hypocritical individual. The moderators should boot your off this board for that alone. The fact that you trash every single comment thread with your barely comprehensible drivel is another reason you should be rested from here.

I havent named anyone as a half wit, if people think im talking about them then they are just agreeing with me ! your opinion of me is none of my buisness.