We really need to know who's responsible for the January signings

[tuffers#1]

Let’s just hope a condition in Richie Wellen’s contract stated, he has full control of transfers of who comes in/out.
He will have a mass clear out, half this squad will go.
Hopefully he will start with showing the current transfer committee the door!

Unless he has a A TOP 2 BUDGET ,
He wont succeed .

So 2 of the teams that go up this season will be the top 2 budget teams in the league?

FGR save all there money by being Vegan &
Have more money to spend on Football .

Whoever comes 2nd will also be a top 2 budget side .

[tuffers#1]

it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

Again falling into the TRAP !
Top 8 budget is doomed to FAILURE ,
A TOP 2 BUDGET guarentees SUCCESS !

You’re obsession with this is a bit grating. I dunno where you’ve plucked this from, or if it’s tongue in cheek.

Having more budget does not guarantee success if you put it in the wrong hands. All managers and DoF are restricted by a budget but the best ones think outside of the box on how to use it and are thinking 2-3 years in the future on building a team, not just players to fill out a squad for numbers.

With the same approach next year, we could have a budget 10 times higher than anyone else and we might just scrape the playoffs with a bit of luck.

Your Obsession & Hatred for the Name Ling has gone beyond Grating , in fact is verging on Bullying some to the point of suicide .
Fortunately Martin Ling now gets Through
This narrow minded abuse that he receives .

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Again falling into the TRAP !
Top 8 budget is doomed to FAILURE ,
A TOP 2 BUDGET guarentees SUCCESS !

You’re obsession with this is a bit grating. I dunno where you’ve plucked this from, or if it’s tongue in cheek.

Having more budget does not guarantee success if you put it in the wrong hands. All managers and DoF are restricted by a budget but the best ones think outside of the box on how to use it and are thinking 2-3 years in the future on building a team, not just players to fill out a squad for numbers.

With the same approach next year, we could have a budget 10 times higher than anyone else and we might just scrape the playoffs with a bit of luck.

Your Obsession & Hatred for the Name Ling has gone beyond Grating , in fact is verging on Bullying some to the point of suicide .
Fortunately Martin Ling now gets Through
This narrow minded abuse that he receives .

Reported.

Unnecessary, unwarranted and a deeply serious accusation that has no basis at all.

Not on.

[tuffers#1]

You’re obsession with this is a bit grating. I dunno where you’ve plucked this from, or if it’s tongue in cheek.

Having more budget does not guarantee success if you put it in the wrong hands. All managers and DoF are restricted by a budget but the best ones think outside of the box on how to use it and are thinking 2-3 years in the future on building a team, not just players to fill out a squad for numbers.

With the same approach next year, we could have a budget 10 times higher than anyone else and we might just scrape the playoffs with a bit of luck.

Your Obsession & Hatred for the Name Ling has gone beyond Grating , in fact is verging on Bullying some to the point of suicide .
Fortunately Martin Ling now gets Through
This narrow minded abuse that he receives .

Reported.

Unnecessary, unwarranted and a deeply serious accusation that has no basis at all.

Not on.

I take it you didnt hear some of Lings Interviews toward the end of his time at Cambridge United or his first couple of interviews after his first breakdown ? If you did youd understand , if you didnt then try dig em out for a listen !!

[Long slender neck]

Yes some people are just prejudiced against Ling, but can we not fling the word 'suicide' around please?

[spen666]

it's time the owners told us fans, who was really responsible for bringing in the crap players in January.
No bullshit, the truth.

We know it was Ling who brought Coleman here because he said in his interview, just before Jackett was sacked.
He said he had been following Coleman for two years, and finally was able to get him.

That was way before Jacket came here, so it was definitely Ling.
We need to know about the rest, because the whole episode was a disaster.

No, we do not NEED to know.
What difference does it make to you if you know or not?

You do not have any say in personnel at club whether playing staff or otherwise.

You may WANT to know, but you do not NEED to know

[Long slender neck]

We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

I dont know if 'decides' is the right word. But I remember Ling saying KJ had the biggest or final say. There was a thread at the time quoting exactly what was said in Lings pod interview.

Football isnt as simple as it once was or like FM where one man scouts, negotiates and signs all the players.

How I see it is, the head coach will identify what type of players he needs. The scouts and dof will identify who is suitable and available, consulting owners to see who is affordable, consulting stats people also, they'll come up with a list and take it back to the committee and head coach, perhaps some will be ruled out based on previous experience with the player or feedback etc. They'll decide who to go for, dof starts negotiating with clubs/players.

Or perhaps theres another scenario where the head coach knows a specific player he would like, I imagine due diligence would be done and an attempt to sign the player would then be made.

[gshaw]

It felt like Kenny said what positions he wanted strengthening and Ling went out and signed who he thought he could for those positions . If Martin wants to target what players we sign then maybe he should put his tracksuit back on and manage the team himself . He might not be picking the team but he seems to be picking some signings . If we want to fail again next season just carry on has we are . In the Summer the club has to have a rethink on what direction they want to go in . This season we have flirted with relegation thanks to Kenny and our transfer committee . Personally I would choose to go with exactly who Richie wants without any interference from our inept transfer committee .lastly, if we’re unable to bring in our manager’s first, second or even third choice of players then we should just forget it and play our youngsters. If our January business is anything to go by we’d save money and be miles better of.

Exactly this, remember the specific wording regarding transfers that NT said

"Kenny tells us what he wants then we sign the players"

The "what" rather than "who" makes all the difference

[Max Fowler]

Personally I would choose to go with exactly who Richie wants without any interference from our inept transfer committee .lastly, if we’re unable to bring in our manager’s first, second or even third choice of players then we should just forget it and play our youngsters. If our January business is anything to go by we’d save money and be miles better of.

Or maybe get someone in to negotiate who CAN secure our first, second or third choices. Not the 6th or 7th.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Your Obsession & Hatred for the Name Ling has gone beyond Grating , in fact is verging on Bullying some to the point of suicide .
Fortunately Martin Ling now gets Through
This narrow minded abuse that he receives .

Reported.

Unnecessary, unwarranted and a deeply serious accusation that has no basis at all.

Not on.

I take it you didnt hear some of Lings Interviews toward the end of his time at Cambridge United or his first couple of interviews after his first breakdown ? If you did youd understand , if you didnt then try dig em out for a listen !!

I'm fully aware of Ling's struggles, thank you very much. He is in a position of power in a football club and is open to scrutiny. Saying that comments i've made could make someone kill themselves is very hurtful. I understand your point and we should all be careful with what we say about others, but i'm very confident that all of my comments have been very much on the right side of this debate.

Throwing around accusations that someone is a bully and could lead them to kill themselves is very serious, and without evidence could be more damaging than said comments themselves. I accept better from you and will be waiting for an apology otherwise i'll just block you and move on.

[tuffers#1]

Reported.

Unnecessary, unwarranted and a deeply serious accusation that has no basis at all.

Not on.

I take it you didnt hear some of Lings Interviews toward the end of his time at Cambridge United or his first couple of interviews after his first breakdown ? If you did youd understand , if you didnt then try dig em out for a listen !!

I'm fully aware of Ling's struggles, thank you very much. He is in a position of power in a football club and is open to scrutiny. Saying that comments i've made could make someone kill themselves is very hurtful. I understand your point and we should all be careful with what we say about others, but i'm very confident that all of my comments have been very much on the right side of this debate.

Throwing around accusations that someone is a bully and could lead them to kill themselves is very serious, and without evidence could be more damaging than said comments themselves. I accept better from you and will be waiting for an apology otherwise i'll just block you and move on.

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

[O Superman]

We will go round in circles with this. The club, just before sacking KJ, rallied around to basically put out the message that ‘the manager decides what players come in’ so KJ is squarely to blame, right?

Well, apart from the fact that we know that Coleman was on Lings radar when KJ was at Portsmouth, the alleged list of signings on the other board tbat KJ wanted and we failed to sign, and the fact that, in a bizarre move, as soon as the Jan signings were put in the team, the manager, who allegedly picked them, moaned constantly about how they didn’t have enough experience for league two.

So something doesn’t add up.

I think what’s pretty clear is that either the process is so convoluted that the owners, Ling, nor the manager actually knows who was responsible, or that the wording on how they work has been manipulated to suit Ling (and to a degree, the owners, when they fail).

Saying that, after hearing bits about Kenny, he doesn’t exactly sound like he was of sound judgement in his time here, and either he did have a level of say (even if that was, take this player or nothing), or he didn’t have the bollocks to stand up for himself and the team and say no to the sh*t he was given.

Regardless, what matters is we don’t continue to make the same mistakes. The new ceo, with fresh eyes, should be all over this already. Refine the process, what went wrong, who does Richie want to work going forward, etc… my only issue is that Nigel and Martin have been so insistent on the success of the process, I think they are a bit blinded by it. Challenge culture and all that, Nigel, let’s start putting that into practice and let’s really challenge what we know and what we think we know so Richie gets the best chance of success.

Yep, all of this.

The fact Wellens has come in as Head Coach rather than Manager, as KJ was, kind of worries me that he won't be given full control and it'll still be The Committee ie Ling making calls on what players we bring in.

Hang on, I'm a bit confused now.
So, Kenny was a 'Manager' and therefore had full control over who he brought in - which means that it was ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Wellens is only a Head Coach and therefore does not have full control over who is brought in - which means that it is ACTUALLY done by the transfer committee - which is really Ling on his own.

Did I get it right ?

[tuffers#1]

Personally I would choose to go with exactly who Richie wants without any interference from our inept transfer committee .lastly, if we’re unable to bring in our manager’s first, second or even third choice of players then we should just forget it and play our youngsters. If our January business is anything to go by we’d save money and be miles better of.

Or maybe get someone in to negotiate who CAN secure our first, second or third choices. Not the 6th or 7th.

Top 2 Budget allows that, a Top 8 means we get Leftovers & Not STEAK !

[Story of O]

Is there a set amount which makes a top 2 budget? Also wondering who decides what is and isn't a top 2 budget. Or is it just that those who finish in the top 2 by default have a top 2 budget just by being there, no matter how much they spent

[tuffers#1]

Is there a set amount which makes a top 2 budget? Also wondering who decides what is and isn't a top 2 budget. Or is it just that those who finish in the top 2 by default have a top 2 budget just by being there, no matter how much they spent

The Question is a Top 8 budget.
Has FAILED FOR THE LAST 2 SEASONS .

The HALF WITS call out the DoF for all manner of things .

A top 2 Budget is a budget
Where.the.person in charge of.the team
Is given what he needs at the start of the season .

As was done 2018-19 .

A budget was set against those figures & perceived spend of others
Then called it a TOP 8 BUDGET .

For 2 SEASONS FAILURE HAS Happened .

A TOP 2 BUDGET allows The 1 In charge to fill
His team wirh what he wants in June/ July .

We start with a Squad that will win promotion ,
even if we fail to be in the top 2 sucess is assured as
Top 3 go up & at the very minimum we get to play offs .

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I take it you didnt hear some of Lings Interviews toward the end of his time at Cambridge United or his first couple of interviews after his first breakdown ? If you did youd understand , if you didnt then try dig em out for a listen !!

I'm fully aware of Ling's struggles, thank you very much. He is in a position of power in a football club and is open to scrutiny. Saying that comments i've made could make someone kill themselves is very hurtful. I understand your point and we should all be careful with what we say about others, but i'm very confident that all of my comments have been very much on the right side of this debate.

Throwing around accusations that someone is a bully and could lead them to kill themselves is very serious, and without evidence could be more damaging than said comments themselves. I accept better from you and will be waiting for an apology otherwise i'll just block you and move on.

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

Can’t remember you reporting any of my posts for bullying. Criticism is a very different thing and I’m always very conscious of Lings past when I post, I’ve even mentioned it a few times.

I’d suggest you also take note of what saying someone might be responsible for the death of another might do to someone’s mental health.

Good to see the mods ineffectual as always.

[tuffers#1]

I'm fully aware of Ling's struggles, thank you very much. He is in a position of power in a football club and is open to scrutiny. Saying that comments i've made could make someone kill themselves is very hurtful. I understand your point and we should all be careful with what we say about others, but i'm very confident that all of my comments have been very much on the right side of this debate.

Throwing around accusations that someone is a bully and could lead them to kill themselves is very serious, and without evidence could be more damaging than said comments themselves. I accept better from you and will be waiting for an apology otherwise i'll just block you and move on.

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

Can’t remember you reporting any of my posts for bullying. Criticism is a very different thing and I’m always very conscious of Lings past when I post, I’ve even mentioned it a few times.

I’d suggest you also take note of what saying someone might be responsible for the death of another might do to someone’s mental health.

Good to see the mods ineffectual as always.

I Dont need to report bullying .
It really is a shame you didnt hear those interviews. people constantly nitt picking at stuff out of his control . Today is my dads 33rd anniversary , I carry guilt that i should have spotted some things that were different that day so i dont need to know what effect i have saying it to orhers .

Now your eyes are open to how people are affected ,

spare a thought for Lingy the next time you scrutinise his role & perhaps look at other factors like someone forgot to wear there lucky pants or claiming a top 8 budget, or lucky socks or etc etc .

[Long slender neck]

I'm fully aware of Ling's struggles, thank you very much. He is in a position of power in a football club and is open to scrutiny. Saying that comments i've made could make someone kill themselves is very hurtful. I understand your point and we should all be careful with what we say about others, but i'm very confident that all of my comments have been very much on the right side of this debate.

Throwing around accusations that someone is a bully and could lead them to kill themselves is very serious, and without evidence could be more damaging than said comments themselves. I accept better from you and will be waiting for an apology otherwise i'll just block you and move on.

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

Can’t remember you reporting any of my posts for bullying. Criticism is a very different thing and I’m always very conscious of Lings past when I post, I’ve even mentioned it a few times.

I’d suggest you also take note of what saying someone might be responsible for the death of another might do to someone’s mental health.

Good to see the mods ineffectual as always.

You expect me to ban someone for pointing out that relentlessly criticising someone with mental health issues could lead to harm?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

Can’t remember you reporting any of my posts for bullying. Criticism is a very different thing and I’m always very conscious of Lings past when I post, I’ve even mentioned it a few times.

I’d suggest you also take note of what saying someone might be responsible for the death of another might do to someone’s mental health.

Good to see the mods ineffectual as always.

You expect me to ban someone for pointing out that relentlessly criticising someone with mental health issues could lead to harm?

If either of you can find any posts you think could lead someone who’s in a powerful job at a football club and is well aware of the level of scrutiny involved. And by his own account, it doesn’t bother him. Then I’ll apologise and reign in my words.

But I don’t believe I have and the accusation of being a bully is a very serious one, especially when coupled with the fact I could be personally to blame is Martin takes his life. Without anything to back that up, it’s frankly disgusting and the fact you seem to be backing it is unsurprising, but no less disgusting

[tuffers#1]

It Bothers Him Wums
He may say it doesnt but thats Machismo for you.


3-4 years of Ling abuse on this forum on Facebook pages are bullying by many not just you .

Ling picks his son so its Nepotism
Actually Justin Ross & others picked his son.

The DoF is to blame always they shout .

Why ?

The Owners Employ him
They set the budgets
They set the Formula & structure .

How is that any fault of the DoF .

Half Wits everywhwre shouting to
Other Half Wits

BLAME LING .
Because some Fool decided he didnt like the
Way Ling answered a question once .

Nitt picking was how his problems 1st started
Be it by His CUFC boss or Fans or Media ..

Time for the Hate to Stop
As all it is Hate .

[MassiveForehead]

Why did Ling wait 2 years to bring Coleman in? What did Ling see for 2 years that no one else could?

Didn't Ling watch James Alabi for 18 months before bringing him in?

[tuffers#1]

Why did Ling wait 2 years to bring Coleman in? What did Ling see for 2 years that no one else could?

Didn't Ling watch James Alabi for 18 months before bringing him in?

Justin Edingburgh asked for Alabi to come here
That is well documented

[Chocolate_brownie]

Continued abuse for 3 -4 years by you & others
Week in Week out leads to cumalative build up.

Are you & others sure you know about Lings problems ?
I will question those who systematically abuse
People at this football club on this MB .

Youd better block because i have no reason to apologise.
Id expect more from the likes of you wums
To not fall into the moaning old git brigade .

Can’t remember you reporting any of my posts for bullying. Criticism is a very different thing and I’m always very conscious of Lings past when I post, I’ve even mentioned it a few times.

I’d suggest you also take note of what saying someone might be responsible for the death of another might do to someone’s mental health.

Good to see the mods ineffectual as always.

You expect me to ban someone for pointing out that relentlessly criticising someone with mental health issues could lead to harm?

I think generally being an irritating clown who trashes every forum thread he engages in (which is most of them), is grounds for dismissal.

I guess Tuffers must have some incriminating photos of the moderators because he seems to get a free pass to do what he wants on this board.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

It Bothers Him Wums
He may say it doesnt but thats Machismo for you.


3-4 years of Ling abuse on this forum on Facebook pages are bullying by many not just you .

Ling picks his son so its Nepotism
Actually Justin Ross & others picked his son.

The DoF is to blame always they shout .

Why ?

The Owners Employ him
They set the budgets
They set the Formula & structure .

How is that any fault of the DoF .

Half Wits everywhwre shouting to
Other Half Wits

BLAME LING .
Because some Fool decided he didnt like the
Way Ling answered a question once .

Nitt picking was how his problems 1st started
Be it by His CUFC boss or Fans or Media ..

Time for the Hate to Stop
As all it is Hate .

I get that people take it to far. But that’s never me imo. It’s always an opinion purely on his ability of his job. If we can’t scrutinise or share opinions of players or staff (in a respectful way) then what’s the point of the forum really? Especially if you’re going to be accused of potentially factoring into ending someone’s life. That’s more responsibility than I want to take for sharing an opinion on someone’s role at my club. Again, if you can find anything you think goes beyond the line then please let me know. I’ll apologise unreservedly. But really not sure I feel comfortable on the board if you cannot freely express non abusive opinions.

[tuffers#1]

It Bothers Him Wums
He may say it doesnt but thats Machismo for you.


3-4 years of Ling abuse on this forum on Facebook pages are bullying by many not just you .

Ling picks his son so its Nepotism
Actually Justin Ross & others picked his son.

The DoF is to blame always they shout .

Why ?

The Owners Employ him
They set the budgets
They set the Formula & structure .

How is that any fault of the DoF .

Half Wits everywhwre shouting to
Other Half Wits

BLAME LING .
Because some Fool decided he didnt like the
Way Ling answered a question once .

Nitt picking was how his problems 1st started
Be it by His CUFC boss or Fans or Media ..

Time for the Hate to Stop
As all it is Hate .

I get that people take it to far. But that’s never me imo. It’s always an opinion purely on his ability of his job. If we can’t scrutinise or share opinions of players or staff (in a respectful way) then what’s the point of the forum really? Especially if you’re going to be accused of potentially factoring into ending someone’s life. That’s more responsibility than I want to take for sharing an opinion on someone’s role at my club. Again, if you can find anything you think goes beyond the line then please let me know. I’ll apologise unreservedly. But really not sure I feel comfortable on the board if you cannot freely express non abusive opinions.

1 missile didnt destroy Mariupol
1000s over a prolonged period did .

You may think its a drop in the Ocean
But every ocean is full of drops .

You used to be sensible wums
What happened ?