Rochdale in trouble

[Fisch]

Not much detail but EFL say they have enough evidence to charge Dale with some dodgy goings-on around their recent buy-out. Their fans fear a big points deduction and consequential loss of league status.

[baldy123]

https://fanbanter.co.uk/rochdale-fans-f ... statement/

[Frogger]

Would be awful to go out like that.

[spen666]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

[Chocolate_brownie]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

[spen666]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

[Chocolate_brownie]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

Thanks for that. Captain Obvious strikes again.

[Highwood Man]

From reading the link above it seems the EFL do not have too many fans in Rochdale! Not so sure that this is going to end up in a points deduction for them though.

[slacker]

You never know exactly what will excite them, or decide where/how ‘justice’ should be served, with the EFL…

Anyways, ‘Fan Banter’?

[LittleMate]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

Agreed but I'd expect a bit more sympathy given what we went through because of our owners a few years back.

[Fisch]

Break the rules, expect to be punished

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

You could indeed. Doesn't make it right though. It sounds like the buying/selling of shares was not conducted openly as required by the EFL. 99.99% of the fans will not have had any part in that. Punish the miscreants, not the innocent.

[Cheshunto]

Makes you appreciate our owners

[Still's Carenae]

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

Thanks for that. Captain Obvious strikes again.

You have been listening to Boris to much.

[spen666]

Not exactly fair on the fans though.

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

You could indeed. Doesn't make it right though. It sounds like the buying/selling of shares was not conducted openly as required by the EFL. 99.99% of the fans will not have had any part in that. Punish the miscreants, not the innocent.

The EFL have no authority on sale of shares, openly or not.

The sale of shares in a limited company is governed by the Companies Act . There is no requirement on sale of shares for a private limited company to be done openly or "fairly" and most football clubs are private limited companies.

[Chocolate_brownie]

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

You could indeed. Doesn't make it right though. It sounds like the buying/selling of shares was not conducted openly as required by the EFL. 99.99% of the fans will not have had any part in that. Punish the miscreants, not the innocent.

The EFL have no authority on sale of shares, openly or not.

The sale of shares in a limited company is governed by the Companies Act . There is no requirement on sale of shares for a private limited company to be done openly or "fairly" and most football clubs are private limited companies.

Another thrilling update from our resident legal eagle

[Dohnut]

When any business goes bankrupt you could say the same re their customers

You could indeed. Doesn't make it right though. It sounds like the buying/selling of shares was not conducted openly as required by the EFL. 99.99% of the fans will not have had any part in that. Punish the miscreants, not the innocent.

The EFL have no authority on sale of shares, openly or not.

The sale of shares in a limited company is governed by the Companies Act . There is no requirement on sale of shares for a private limited company to be done openly or "fairly" and most football clubs are private limited companies.

For sure the rule surrounding Limited Company share dealings trump anything the EFL demand. I suspect however the issue is not with the buying and selling of shares as such but the obligation for keeping the EFL appraised of what is going on, and in a timely manner and in a manner expected by the EFL. The definitely is within the remit of the EFL and their regulations regarding transactions.

As a member of the EFL they will be obliged to follow their additional rules, if not, they are free to leave the EFL.

[spen666]

You could indeed. Doesn't make it right though. It sounds like the buying/selling of shares was not conducted openly as required by the EFL. 99.99% of the fans will not have had any part in that. Punish the miscreants, not the innocent.

The EFL have no authority on sale of shares, openly or not.

The sale of shares in a limited company is governed by the Companies Act . There is no requirement on sale of shares for a private limited company to be done openly or "fairly" and most football clubs are private limited companies.

For sure the rule surrounding Limited Company share dealings trump anything the EFL demand. I suspect however the issue is not with the buying and selling of shares as such but the obligation for keeping the EFL appraised of what is going on, and in a timely manner and in a manner expected by the EFL. The definitely is within the remit of the EFL and their regulations regarding transactions.

As a member of the EFL they will be obliged to follow their additional rules, if not, they are free to leave the EFL.

The EFL cannot act contrary to English Law.

The powers of the EFL are very limited in practice. They can ultimately expel a club who do not comply with their rules, but this would mean the bankruptcy of a club, which is what EFL are trying to prevent happening

[Dohnut]

The EFL have no authority on sale of shares, openly or not.

The sale of shares in a limited company is governed by the Companies Act . There is no requirement on sale of shares for a private limited company to be done openly or "fairly" and most football clubs are private limited companies.

For sure the rule surrounding Limited Company share dealings trump anything the EFL demand. I suspect however the issue is not with the buying and selling of shares as such but the obligation for keeping the EFL appraised of what is going on, and in a timely manner and in a manner expected by the EFL. The definitely is within the remit of the EFL and their regulations regarding transactions.

As a member of the EFL they will be obliged to follow their additional rules, if not, they are free to leave the EFL.

The EFL cannot act contrary to English Law.

The powers of the EFL are very limited in practice. They can ultimately expel a club who do not comply with their rules, but this would mean the bankruptcy of a club, which is what EFL are trying to prevent happening

Of course the EFL cannot be contrary to the law and I’m not suggesting they can. If Rochdale Directors broke the law, it would not be the EFL looking into it. This is a membership rather than legal issue. They are entitled to set and enforce rules of membership. And enforce they must, not doing so could be unfair on those clubs who stick by the rules. A can of worms in fact.

They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

[Dextercoindexter]

For sure the rule surrounding Limited Company share dealings trump anything the EFL demand. I suspect however the issue is not with the buying and selling of shares as such but the obligation for keeping the EFL appraised of what is going on, and in a timely manner and in a manner expected by the EFL. The definitely is within the remit of the EFL and their regulations regarding transactions.

As a member of the EFL they will be obliged to follow their additional rules, if not, they are free to leave the EFL.

The EFL cannot act contrary to English Law.

The powers of the EFL are very limited in practice. They can ultimately expel a club who do not comply with their rules, but this would mean the bankruptcy of a club, which is what EFL are trying to prevent happening

Of course the EFL cannot be contrary to the law and I’m not suggesting they can. If Rochdale Directors broke the law, it would not be the EFL looking into it. This is a membership rather than legal issue. They are entitled to set and enforce rules of membership. And enforce they must, not doing so could be unfair on those clubs who stick by the rules. A can of worms in fact.

They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

Some people should not be anywhere near a football club, like the crazed Italian and Sir Owen Oysters.
They ruin a club or do it without intention.

[spen666]

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They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

So adi said EFL are effectively powerless.

A warning is pointless if no power to do anything

If the impose a fine & Rochdale refuse to pay, then what?

The only real sanction the EFL have is expulsion which brings about the demise of a club.

It is a membership issue but unless you are prepared to terminate membership then it's toothless

[StillSpike]

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They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

So adi said EFL are effectively powerless.

A warning is pointless if no power to do anything

If the impose a fine & Rochdale refuse to pay, then what?

The only real sanction the EFL have is expulsion which brings about the demise of a club.

It is a membership issue but unless you are prepared to terminate membership then it's toothless

Can't they deduct points?

[spen666]

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They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

So adi said EFL are effectively powerless.

A warning is pointless if no power to do anything

If the impose a fine & Rochdale refuse to pay, then what?

The only real sanction the EFL have is expulsion which brings about the demise of a club.

It is a membership issue but unless you are prepared to terminate membership then it's toothless

Can't they deduct points?

Deduct Rochdale 15 points and it will effectively amount to expulsion as they will be relegated

Also, deducting points won't make club owners change

[Chocolate_brownie]

So adi said EFL are effectively powerless.

A warning is pointless if no power to do anything

If the impose a fine & Rochdale refuse to pay, then what?

The only real sanction the EFL have is expulsion which brings about the demise of a club.

It is a membership issue but unless you are prepared to terminate membership then it's toothless

Can't they deduct points?

Deduct Rochdale 15 points and it will effectively amount to expulsion as they will be relegated

Deducting 15 points will basically relegate a team?

More cutting edge insight from Captain Obvious.

[Dextercoindexter]

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They will do all they can to avoid any club going bankrupt, but they may well impose a penalty. Financial or points. Or, considering the impact of their indiscretions, simply issue a severe warning.

So adi said EFL are effectively powerless.

A warning is pointless if no power to do anything

If the impose a fine & Rochdale refuse to pay, then what?

The only real sanction the EFL have is expulsion which brings about the demise of a club.

It is a membership issue but unless you are prepared to terminate membership then it's toothless

Can't they deduct points?

Think of their fans, not their fault? We were in situations out of our control, desperate? We should work to keep all these long established clubs going, in fact, Al clubs going. Not to encourage expulsions?

[StillSpike]

Ah - so we mustn't "punish the fans" then. So I guess the actions taken against Chelsea are wrong because anything that gets in the way of their on-field success is simply "punishing the fans"? (and forgetting that they've been celebrating all those trophies bought with stolen money?)

By definition, any penalty handed down from the football authorities can be portrayed as punishing the fans. Even a fine on a director can be argued as meaning the manager has less money to spend on players. so once again the poor fan suffers. If you're going to have rules, then there has to be enforcement, doesn't there?

Maybe there's a debate to be had around how does a points deduction - even a relegation - actually, meaningfully "punish the fans". Sure, if your team is relegated you feel pretty sh*t for a while, and you have your workmates take the piss (unless you can show how unjust it is), and fans of your rival club will be happy, but how are you meaningfully hurt by that relegation? You get to go to different away trips the next season? Your team can't afford quite such expensive wages?