Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:01 pm
"Nazi-riddled Ukrainian national guard"
Just another useful idiot.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:01 pm
"Nazi-riddled Ukrainian national guard"
Just another useful idiot.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
Yes, yes I get all that useful idiot stuff and the implications of war.
But you didn't answer my question which I will repeat. Have fascist militias been integrated into the regular military? BTW asking the question does not mean I'm taking one side or the other on this issue.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:01 pm
"Nazi-riddled Ukrainian national guard"
Just another useful idiot.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
Yes, yes I get all that useful idiot stuff and the implications of war.
But you didn't answer my question which I will repeat. Have fascist militias been integrated into the regular military? BTW asking the question does not mean I'm taking one side or the other on this issue.
You already know the answer to that question, which makes me question your reason for asking it. Especially if you genuinely get the point I tried to make.
But I'll play along and answer what is clearly a loaded question that furthers a false narrative being constructed by the Kremlin as a pretext for war that may result in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people: yes, facist militia have been integrated into the regular military.
No, I don't like that either. But then I guess it's easier for armchair commentators to be picky about who they stand alongside when not faced with potential annihilation.
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:40 pm
If Ukraine promised to stay neutral and not join NATO then I think this crisis would blow over .
That would be the end of Ukraine as a sovereign nation in control of its foreign and security policies. And then Poland and the Baltic states would be next. A line has to be drawn.
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
Yes, yes I get all that useful idiot stuff and the implications of war.
But you didn't answer my question which I will repeat. Have fascist militias been integrated into the regular military? BTW asking the question does not mean I'm taking one side or the other on this issue.
You already know the answer to that question, which makes me question your reason for asking it. Especially if you genuinely get the point I tried to make.
But I'll play along and answer what is clearly a loaded question that furthers a false narrative being constructed by the Kremlin as a pretext for war that may result in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people: yes, facist militia have been integrated into the regular military.
No, I don't like that either. But then I guess it's easier for armchair commentators to be picky about who they stand alongside when not faced with potential annihilation.
I'm questioning your reason for not answering it every bit as much as you are questioning my reason for asking it. But hey ho you did answer in the end and an uncomfortable fact has been established. I'm not trying to further a false narrative. Facts are important in a propaganda war.
When the war starts many innocent people will die on both sides and even from my armchair I find that abhorrent.
Everything should be done to avoid war and like I said yesterday full economic and political pressure needs to be brought to bear by the UK, US and the EU. Putin can be isolated through freezing Russian assets in the UK, trade sanctions, etc. At the same time military assistance can continue to bolster the Ukrainian army.
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:40 pm
If Ukraine promised to stay neutral and not join NATO then I think this crisis would blow over .
That would be the end of Ukraine as a sovereign nation in control of its foreign and security policies. And then Poland and the Baltic states would be next. A line has to be drawn.
Some realpolitik is required. Sometimes sovereign nations don't get to antagonise their neighbours and allow NATO to expand their sphere of influence.
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:40 pm
If Ukraine promised to stay neutral and not join NATO then I think this crisis would blow over .
That would be the end of Ukraine as a sovereign nation in control of its foreign and security policies. And then Poland and the Baltic states would be next. A line has to be drawn.
Some realpolitik is required. Sometimes sovereign nations don't get to antagonise their neighbours and allow NATO to expand their sphere of influence.
I agree. Ukraine would have done well to have observed and adopted the approach taken thus far by Sweden and Finland. But here we are.
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:01 pm
"Nazi-riddled Ukrainian national guard"
Just another useful idiot.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
It is a fact that elements of fascist militias have been integrated into the army. True or not?
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
Is it going to change things more than in 2014?
Yes. Massively.
To be fair, 2014 should have been the moment that NATO and other allies united and responded.
Oh come on. Every military will contain fascist nut jobs. This whole nazi trope regarding Ukrainians is being pushed by the Kremlin, and it's telling to spot who is lapping it up and spreading it. Show me an Eastern European army that does not comprise fascist elements, including Russia's.
And just what is the implications behind that idiots "hot take" in his tweet? We either support Ukraine or we leave them to Putin. He seems to be suggesting the latter.
This isn't just about Ukraine. This is about the potential destruction of the post-war European peace settlement, and will have massive implications. People really don't get how much this is going to change things. But so long as f*ckwad up there gets to sneeringly signal his anti-facist credentials without any appreciation of what is at stake, I guess that's what's most important.
