Electric cars: New vehicles to emit noise to aid safety.

[Sid Bishop]

Good idea and a bit surprised that this aid to safety for pedestrians and cyclists was not put into practice before.
The EU does come up with some good laws regarding safety etc. Its just some of the other bits about it that I dont like.
I think the EU will be forced to change somewhat in the future, regardless of if the UK leaves it or not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48815968

New electric vehicles will have to feature a noise-emitting device, under an EU rule coming into force on Monday.
It follows concerns that low-emission cars and vans are too quiet, putting pedestrians at risk because they cannot be heard as they approach.

All new types of four-wheel electric vehicle must be fitted with the device, which sounds like a traditional engine.
A car's acoustic vehicle alert system (Avas) must sound when reversing or travelling below 12mph (19km/h).

The EU says the cars are most likely to be near pedestrians when they are backing up or driving slowly, although drivers will have the power to deactivate the devices if they think it is necessary.

[Real Al]

What bits about the EU don't you like?

[Lucky7]

So the let’s have quieter vehicles which of course will cost more just for some bozo to say they have to be noisy again

Bit like when they where telling everybody diesel cars where the future and now they want to get rid of them completely

[Sid Bishop]

So the let’s have quieter vehicles which of course will cost more just for some bozo to say they have to be noisy again

Bit like when they where telling everybody diesel cars where the future and now they want to get rid of them completely

A little bit of difference between very noisy vehicles to ones that give no sound at all. Cars making a little bit of sound gives out a warning of approaching vehicles but is not that annoying or obtrusive.

[Lucky7]

Well Sid maybe they should of done proper research in the first place I’m assuming that if you have a quiet vehicle you have to pay to get the noise thing fitted

[Thor]

Read this, they are also not so environmentally friendly either.

But what about the environmental effects of building the car?
A report by the Ricardo consultancy estimated that production of an average petrol car will involve emissions amounting to the equivalent of 5.6 tonnes of CO2, while for an average electric car, the figure is 8.8tonnes. Of that, nearly half is incurred in producing the battery. Despite this, the same report estimated that over its whole lifecycle, the electric car would still be responsible for 80% of the emissions of the petrol car. More recently, an FT analysis used lifecycle estimates to question the green credentials of electric cars, especially heavy ones.

[Lucky7]

Are friends Electric

[Howling Mad Murdock]

What happens if you are deaf? Pardon?

Also a problem on bikes also but normally people have their noses parked in a phone or just don't bother looking anyway.

[Sid Bishop]

What happens if you are deaf? Pardon?

Also a problem on bikes also but normally people have their noses parked in a phone or just don't bother looking anyway.

Well if you are deaf then makes no difference, those who are deaf of course have to make sure they look both ways before crossing the road, an old fashioned thing to do it seems when it comes to those who are more concerned with looking at their smart phones when crossing roads !

[BoniO]

Making electric cars make a noise was mooted donkeys years ago when the first ones were released. In the first few weeks there were accidents when people didn't hear them coming. This should have been built into the design years ago. As to allowing drivers to deactivate the noise generator then that's barmy. It's either a safety device, and therefore mandatory, or it isn't.

[Disoriented]

Making electric cars make a noise was mooted donkeys years ago when the first ones were released. In the first few weeks there were accidents when people didn't hear them coming. This should have been built into the design years ago. As to allowing drivers to deactivate the noise generator then that's barmy. It's either a safety device, and therefore mandatory, or it isn't.

If pedestrians turned up their hearing aids there wouldn’t be a problem.

[Howling Mad Murdock]

Making electric cars make a noise was mooted donkeys years ago when the first ones were released. In the first few weeks there were accidents when people didn't hear them coming. This should have been built into the design years ago. As to allowing drivers to deactivate the noise generator then that's barmy. It's either a safety device, and therefore mandatory, or it isn't.

If pedestrians turned up their hearing aids there wouldn’t be a problem.

They don't use their eyes either as it wears the batteries out.

(Nicked from Fawlty Towers)

[Orientinoz]

Whatever next ??? Bring back the man walking infront with a red flag...The regressive EU strikes again..

[Ralphs Coate]

Are friends Electric

Better join the Tubeway Army.

[Fellowo]

They had this on the TV last night and the noise they've chosen is attrocoius, to the extent I could see it turning off potential buyers. And saying of turning off, it will be possible to do so which defeats the object does it not.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Read this, they are also not so environmentally friendly either.

But what about the environmental effects of building the car?
A report by the Ricardo consultancy estimated that production of an average petrol car will involve emissions amounting to the equivalent of 5.6 tonnes of CO2, while for an average electric car, the figure is 8.8tonnes. Of that, nearly half is incurred in producing the battery. Despite this, the same report estimated that over its whole lifecycle, the electric car would still be responsible for 80% of the emissions of the petrol car. More recently, an FT analysis used lifecycle estimates to question the green credentials of electric cars, especially heavy ones.

Totally agree. Electric cars are not the clean vehicles people believe. Cleaner, but not clean. But their biggest advantage is where that pollution happens. It removes much of the low level pollution in city centres meaning safer urban areas for people especially those with or likely to develop breathing issues. But at production plants for vehicles and electricity it still creates pollution.

As for Environmentallly friendly. No such thing exists in the world of products that I am aware of. It’s a marketing term to make us feel good when we pay extra for something because we feel we are making a difference. The correct term is environmentally less damaging.

[Long slender neck]

Surely these vehicles should just sound the horn then run people over if they don't get out the way, Sid?

[Proposition Joe]

Read this, they are also not so environmentally friendly either.

But what about the environmental effects of building the car?
A report by the Ricardo consultancy estimated that production of an average petrol car will involve emissions amounting to the equivalent of 5.6 tonnes of CO2, while for an average electric car, the figure is 8.8tonnes. Of that, nearly half is incurred in producing the battery. Despite this, the same report estimated that over its whole lifecycle, the electric car would still be responsible for 80% of the emissions of the petrol car. More recently, an FT analysis used lifecycle estimates to question the green credentials of electric cars, especially heavy ones.

Interesting. Do you have the link for that report? Ricardo are one of the main players in green/hybrid transport so somewhat surprising that they're effectively downplaying their own products.

[Thor]

Also we don’t have enough electricity in the grid to power all these cars once we’ve moved from fossil fuel cars to electric only. I wonder what kind of power station you need to add the extra to the grid to support it?

It’s a con and we are buying it unfortunately.

[Thor]

Read this, they are also not so environmentally friendly either.

But what about the environmental effects of building the car?
A report by the Ricardo consultancy estimated that production of an average petrol car will involve emissions amounting to the equivalent of 5.6 tonnes of CO2, while for an average electric car, the figure is 8.8tonnes. Of that, nearly half is incurred in producing the battery. Despite this, the same report estimated that over its whole lifecycle, the electric car would still be responsible for 80% of the emissions of the petrol car. More recently, an FT analysis used lifecycle estimates to question the green credentials of electric cars, especially heavy ones.

Interesting. Do you have the link for that report? Ricardo are one of the main players in green/hybrid transport so somewhat surprising that they're effectively downplaying their own products.

Sure.

https://ricardo.com/news-and-media/news ... -whole-lif

[Orient_Man_And_Boy]

I have one question.

Where will this mass market of electric cars access the necessary charge-points?

I hear glib statements of using lamp-posts. After I stopped laughing I tried to imagine replacing the capacity of every post in Leyton, cos the current infrastructure would simply melt under the demand. Then the issue of actually parking close enough to a device overnight. Many can’t even park on their own street let alone choose an available charging space.
To upgrade the national grid to cope would cost £trillions and take 30 years. Imagine increasing the rate of income tax to 40% to pay for it (and yes I paid 33% when I started work).

You simply have to foresee that the age of the personal car is viable for another few decades then it will cease because there’ll not be the space to drive, the space to park nor the ability to power them.

Now is the time to start completely rethinking the rail system, both national and local-loop (eg DLR). For example, People say that it’ll cost too much to use double deck commuter trains ... yes, but we’ll have to one day then it’ll be too late and cost more.

For the next generations it’s back to walking!!

[Thor]

It will be like diesel, but diesel it’s better, more economical, less damage to the planet, better on emissions or so the government told us. They lied.

Now they are doing with electric cars, we don’t have the power to power them and most batteries are built in the most polluting way.

At the end of a cars lifecycle most of it gets recycled now, what happens to an electric cars batteries? They can’t be recycled so where are they all going to go?

It’s all nonsense and the sheep are buying in to it.

[Sid Bishop]

It will be like diesel, but diesel it’s better, more economical, less damage to the planet, better on emissions or so the government told us. They lied.

Now they are doing with electric cars, we don’t have the power to power them and most batteries are built in the most polluting way.

At the end of a cars lifecycle most of it gets recycled now, what happens to an electric cars batteries? They can’t be recycled so where are they all going to go?

It’s all nonsense and the sheep are buying in to it.

Yes And I often think about where is the power going to come from to recharge all these car batteries ? As it is, we are told we are in danger of not being able to generate enough power to supply the future demands on supply of electricity, that is without the extra power output that would be needed to charge up all these extra electric cars ! Also at present, electric cars do not pay road tax, well if all cars become electric, how is the government going to raise the extra tax to replace the missing road tax and also the vast amount raised by the sale of petrol and diesel ? I have been told that approx 75% of the money charged for a gallon of petrol is government fuel TAX plus VAT !! So I am guessing that in the future, to charge up an electric car might cost a lot of money because of added government tax and also large amount of money to be charged electric car road tax !!

[Lucky7]

Vehicle Excise Duty not road tax as someone has already pointed out road tax was abolished about 80 years ago

[Sid Bishop]

Vehicle Excise Duty not road tax as someone has already pointed out road tax was abolished about 80 years ago

Different names for same thing. Road tax, or on GOV.UK called Vehicle Tax, whatever, it is tax known by various names around the world to be paid on, or included with, a wheeled vehicle to use it on a public road.
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-direct-debit