Labour Watch

[Mistadobalina]

Down to third spot and losing 12 points.

Great to see Sirkier is making Labour electable again.

https://labourlist.org/2021/12/labour-p ... -election/

Relentless.

[Max B Gold]

Down to third spot and losing 12 points.

Great to see Sirkier is making Labour electable again.

https://labourlist.org/2021/12/labour-p ... -election/

This result is a disaster. He has to go.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Explains why the Labour vote didn't come out

[Dunners]

Explains why the Labour vote didn't come out

Don't discount the Rayner effect.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Did they choose to keep kier at home like the tories did with Boris?

[Currywurst and Chips]

Keir is smart and knew Libs stood the best chance so sent the joke politicians to remind the voters of Corbyn and boost the most likely candidate to beat the Tories

Masterstroke

[Max B Gold]

Keir is smart and knew Libs stood the best chance so sent the joke politicians to remind the voters of Corbyn and boost the most likely candidate to beat the Tories

Masterstroke

You do Kieth a disservice. He was even smarter than that.

He blocked a socialist Labour candidate for the seat and replaced him with someone who used to work for Patterson the disgraced former Tory MP.

Masterstroke doesn't even begin to describe that. Evil cunning is better.

[ComeOnYouOs]

NORTH SHROPSHIRE
2010 (Brown) - 18.1%
2015 (Miliband) - 19.9%
2017 (Corbyn) - 31.1%
2019 (Corbyn) - 22.1%
2021 (Starmer) - 9.6%

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Finally someone standing up for the huge difference between anti semtisim and anti Zionism. A few boarders should read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ti-zionism

[Currywurst and Chips]

Guess they'll have to flog another masterpiece to pay for juniors tweeting

[BoniO]

Finally someone standing up for the huge difference between anti semtisim and anti Zionism. A few boarders should read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ti-zionism

Agreed. Anti-Zionism is totally different to Anti-Semitism. The Israeli's have been trying to prove the 2 are the same for some years now. Bonkers that the Labour Party should be so weak/stupid to follow any definition of anti-semitism that justifies the State of Israel.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Finally someone standing up for the huge difference between anti semtisim and anti Zionism. A few boarders should read this.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ti-zionism

Agreed. Anti-Zionism is totally different to Anti-Semitism. The Israeli's have been trying to prove the 2 are the same for some years now. Bonkers that the Labour Party should be so weak/stupid to follow any definition of anti-semitism that justifies the State of Israel.

It’s like they crowbarred it in to get rid of one of their leaders.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Guess they'll have to flog another masterpiece to pay for juniors tweeting

I’ve just had this story pop up.

I’m struggling to see what Riley’s issue is here?

[Max B Gold]

Guess they'll have to flog another masterpiece to pay for juniors tweeting

I’ve just had this story pop up.

I’m struggling to see what Riley’s issue is here?

It's a perverse decision by the court.

[Currywurst and Chips]

It always is when your team loses

[Max B Gold]

It always is when your team loses

I don't have a team on this one. Anyone who has read "Law tor Beginners" and "The Idiots Guide to the Law" can see how ridiculous this particular decision is and how the libel laws are just a means for oppression by the rich.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Impartial eh, uh huh

Think the judge has more experience to make that call

[Max B Gold]

Impartial eh, uh huh

Think the judge has more experience to make that call

Yes that's why no judges decision has ever been over turned on appeal.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Just because some judges get it wrong doesn't negate the fact a High Court judge, probably, has more legal experience and standing than a minicab driver

[Max B Gold]

Just because some judges get it wrong doesn't negate the fact a High Court judge, probably, has more legal experience and standing than a minicab driver

But my point wasn't that. As Renfrewshires leading minicab driver I don't claim to have mote experience or know more about English Law than the judge.

My point was more that his experience doesn't mean he automatically gets decisions right. He hasn't got this one right and has made a fundamental error in law and on appeal his decision will be overturned.

[Admin]

Can't say I have much sympathy with either party. Laura Murray's hardly without resources whilst Riley was represented pro-bono. Most of us are unlikely to ever have the funding to take a libel case the full distance and neither party here emerges with a lot of credit.

The level of damages awarded in terms of defamation are relatively small when considered against Riley's likely earnings and probably reflective of the "damage" to Riley's reputation. Like plenty on the far left side of things, Riley and her mate Tracy-Ann Oberman aren't exactly backwards in organising twitter pile on's when it suits their agendas and the judgement here doesn't in my opinion equate to her being vindicated in her campaign against antisemitism. Can't even see where AS has any relevance to this legal action.

Interesting point though in the summation on Riley's post being provocative and it also seems that had Murray included Riley's tweet, the result could have been different. Regardless, the whole case is pretty ridiculous and doesn't achieve anything for anyone.

[Max B Gold]

Can't say I have much sympathy with either party. Laura Murray's hardly without resources whilst Riley was represented pro-bono. Most of us are unlikely to ever have the funding to take a libel case the full distance and neither party here emerges with a lot of credit.

The level of damages awarded in terms of defamation are relatively small when considered against Riley's likely earnings and probably reflective of the "damage" to Riley's reputation. Like plenty on the far left side of things, Riley and her mate Tracy-Ann Oberman aren't exactly backwards in organising twitter pile on's when it suits their agendas and the judgement here doesn't in my opinion equate to her being vindicated in her campaign against antisemitism. Can't even see where AS has any relevance to this legal action.

Interesting point though in the summation on Riley's post being provocative and it also seems that had Murray included Riley's tweet, the result could have been different. Regardless, the whole case is pretty ridiculous and doesn't achieve anything for anyone.

Correct.

Not so sure about your drawing a distinction between Murray having money and Riley being represented Pro bono I suspect it was free representation from an ally rather than being unable to afford the legal fees.

[Dunners]

To be fair, I think they're both fit.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Just because some judges get it wrong doesn't negate the fact a High Court judge, probably, has more legal experience and standing than a minicab driver

But my point wasn't that. As Renfrewshires leading minicab driver I don't claim to have mote experience or know more about English Law than the judge.

My point was more that his experience doesn't mean he automatically gets decisions right. He hasn't got this one right and has made a fundamental error in law and on appeal his decision will be overturned.

Thanks but you'll forgive me for assuming the judge has got it right based on your respective CVs however.

If the matter was pertaining to the London Hackney Carriage Act 1853 I would, obviously, defer to you.

[Max B Gold]

Just because some judges get it wrong doesn't negate the fact a High Court judge, probably, has more legal experience and standing than a minicab driver

But my point wasn't that. As Renfrewshires leading minicab driver I don't claim to have mote experience or know more about English Law than the judge.

My point was more that his experience doesn't mean he automatically gets decisions right. He hasn't got this one right and has made a fundamental error in law and on appeal his decision will be overturned.

Thanks but you'll forgive me for assuming the judge has got it right based on your respective CVs however.

If the matter was pertaining to the London Hackney Carriage Act 1853 I would, obviously, defer to you.

Fatal error. Never assume anything. It leads to lazy uncritical thinking. That much I learned from my accountancy days.

Anyway enough for now. Let us wait for the outcome of the appeal, whereupon I will be vindicated.

I say I will be vindicated but of course none of the above is really my opinion it will be the legal eagles I have copied off of Twitter who will be proved correct in the end.