Lib Dem Watch

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Congrats to the Yella Tory rats - (c) MBG - taking over from the Tory rats.

[Currywurst and Chips]

If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble

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If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble

Lots of colours going all points of the compass except east

[Currywurst and Chips]

If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble

Lots of colours going all points of the compass except east

East is pretty Blue but yeah, the Reds should clear off there as well except in Ipswich/Norwich

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If a deal can be made whereby the Yellows stand down in the North and Reds in certain posho or rural South and West seats then the Blues could be in trouble

Lots of colours going all points of the compass except east

East is pretty Blue but yeah, the Reds should clear off there as well except in Ipswich/Norwich

Don't forget the Greens, need to build up the spectrum and the Rainbow Alliance, the Pink Mafia won't be far behind

[Max B Gold]

Congrats to the Yella Tory rats - (c) MBG - taking over from the Tory rats.

When difficult political decisions have to be made the Yella Tory rats always show their true colours and side with the right and cosy up to the Blue Tory rats.

They won a by election - Woopy Do let's all rewrite political reality and hug our new friends.

[Currywurst and Chips]

So much cope

[Currywurst and Chips]

[Max B Gold]

Middle class tossers

[Max B Gold]

[Currywurst and Chips]

Rattled

[Max B Gold]

Rattled

Yeah bricking it. I fear an orange revolution as much as the next man.

[o-no]

But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?

[Currywurst and Chips]

It's certainly the easiest way as Labour haven't won an election unless the leader was called Tony Blair for over 47 years and are coming off their worst result in 85 years thanks to Corbyn.

[Dunners]

But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?

Pretty much. But Labour will have to offer the other parties, with the possible exception of the SNP, some concession on electoral reform.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

as Labour haven't won an election unless the leader was called Tony Blair for over 47 years

[Max B Gold]

But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?

In a word. No.

[Jack]

I believe at the last election when Corbyn was Leader, Labour came second. Last night they were third, and under Corbyn they got thousands more votes

#JustSaying

[o-no]

But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?

Pretty much. But Labour will have to offer the other parties, with the possible exception of the SNP, some concession on electoral reform.

But if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.

Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.

[Dunners]

But putting individual by-elections to one side, isn't some sort of electoral pact about the only way the Tories are ever going to get defeated?

Pretty much. But Labour will have to offer the other parties, with the possible exception of the SNP, some concession on electoral reform.

But if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.

Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are already behind-the-scenes talks on this. Part of the problem is that there isn't any real appetite for such change across the electorate. And it will always be positioned by the Tories as a coalition of losers trying to rig the rules. It could backfire spectacularly and even see an increase in votes for the Tories.

Labour isn't too keen on PR anyway but, if it was to consider some form of pact, it would have to be very mindful of all of this and try not to spook the voters. They may agree to a deal whereby the Commons remains on FPTP, but have a fully elected upper chamber through PR instead - but with this being implemented over a long timeframe. This could even bring in the likes of Reform UK and some of the other fringe lunatics that occasionally bother the Tories.

[o-no]

I'm not sure, it feels like there isn't a lot for Labour to lose. I'd even suggest a binary Tory/Not Tory choice is ideally suited to your typical voter who regularly displays a disinclination to understand the nuances of policy.

It's lowest common demoninator stuff but I fear that's about where we are.

[PoundhillO]

It’s great to see the Tories getting the kick in they so thoroughly deserve.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Pretty much. But Labour will have to offer the other parties, with the possible exception of the SNP, some concession on electoral reform.

But if Scotland goes it's own way then Labours chances of an outright victory are diminished even further, so maybe they'd consider it if the current FPTP system was even less likely to work for them going forward.

Even if Labour were dead set against any pacts, it might be worth them having some 'exploratory discussions' about it. The Tories might have to offer some concessions to kill the idea.

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised if there are already behind-the-scenes talks on this. Part of the problem is that there isn't any real appetite for such change across the electorate. And it will always be positioned by the Tories as a coalition of losers trying to rig the rules. It could backfire spectacularly and even see an increase in votes for the Tories.

Labour isn't too keen on PR anyway but, if it was to consider some form of pact, it would have to be very mindful of all of this and try not to spook the voters. They may agree to a deal whereby the Commons remains on FPTP, but have a fully elected upper chamber through PR instead - but with this being implemented over a long timeframe. This could even bring in the likes of Reform UK and some of the other fringe lunatics that occasionally bother the Tories.

They could (quite easily) do a non-aggresion pact for the election and then not even talk about electoral reform

The subsequent coalition talk, should Labour require coalition partners, would require a form of PR reform though definitely.

[RedDwarf 1881]

It's a protest vote , nothing more . Boris has got to pull his socks up and fast . He's now been warned .

[StillSpike]

It's a protest vote , nothing more . Boris has got to pull his socks up and fast . He's now been warned .

He can't even find his socks, let alone pull them up. He says he "takes full responsibility" for the defeat - but he doesn't. He must have said those words, without meaning them, countless times in his life. He's never taken responsibility for anything, ever.

He's already forgotten the warning.