faldO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:07 pm
Covid patients occupy around 5% of all hospital beds, data for the end of September from the NHS website.
The DT reported today that 25% of those in hospital with covid didn't have it when they went in.
I read somewhere that bed occupancy is in excess of 90% at the moment. Covid hospitalisations are rising at 10%+ a week, something will have to give very soon.
Yes, I believe they try to keep it at around the 90-95% level at all times. Not much point in having a load of empty beds in hospitals.
The bit that "gives" is that non-urgent occupancy makes way for more urgent cases. When that strategy is not possible that's when the crisis occurs and hospitals are overwhelmed.
In the seven days to 19 October, 92.9% of beds were occupied across all trusts in England – but close to half of 126 acute trusts across England averaged 95% capacity or more in the same week (85% occupancy is the accepted international standard and 95% is seen by medics as dangerously high).
I read somewhere that bed occupancy is in excess of 90% at the moment. Covid hospitalisations are rising at 10%+ a week, something will have to give very soon.
Yes, I believe they try to keep it at around the 90-95% level at all times. Not much point in having a load of empty beds in hospitals.
The bit that "gives" is that non-urgent occupancy makes way for more urgent cases. When that strategy is not possible that's when the crisis occurs and hospitals are overwhelmed.
In the seven days to 19 October, 92.9% of beds were occupied across all trusts in England – but close to half of 126 acute trusts across England averaged 95% capacity or more in the same week (85% occupancy is the accepted international standard and 95% is seen by medics as dangerously high).
The same article quotes faldO's 5% COVID occupancy figure, I was disputing his "they try to keep it at around the 90-95% level at all times" statement. Just like George saying that saying that numbers are "manageable", If we are going to throw statistics (or assertions) around they should at least be evidence based.
jamespevans wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:06 pm
The same article quotes faldO's 5% COVID occupancy figure, I was disputing his "they try to keep it at around the 90-95% level at all times" statement. Just like George saying that saying that numbers are "manageable", If we are going to throw statistics (or assertions) around they should at least be evidence based.
...which is why I said "I believe they try to keep it at around the 90-95% level at all times". It was from memory - I did not state it as a fact.
The general point still stands - that bed occupancy is always deliberately high and that only a small percentage of total bed occupancy at the moment is due to covid patients.
I don't dispute that the NHS is under immense pressure right now and that it is getting worse.
Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:08 pm
Time for the covid vaccination passports to be mandatory along with mandatory masks. Controls needed. People are not taking this seriously.
Lots of people are taking this seriously.
Just it seems not the Tory Government .
Who'd a thunk it eh ?
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:16 pm
Weekend delay, it'll be back up tomorrow.
Yeah, but they're comparing against the same figures last week which would also have experienced weekend delay. Even so, it does seem a bit too good to be true so will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. Think last Tuesday was the day we hit (or were very close to) 50k cases.
"Endemic equilibrium" (which I assume is what you're referring to) is different to herd immunity - though I admit I didn't know what is was nor that it was different to herd immunity until I just looked it up.
Ultimately, it all adds up to “no chance of ever reaching herd immunity for covid”, says Hunter. He adds that at a UK all-party parliamentary committee held on 10 August, attending scientists were unanimous in their opinion that the UK wasn't going to reach herd immunity. Instead, most researchers seem to agree that the UK will reach what is known as an “endemic equilibrium”, whereby covid-19 becomes seasonal.
I guess it shows there is still a lot to be learnt about strategies for dealing with covid and how best to tackle it.
"Endemic equilibrium" (which I assume is what you're referring to) is different to herd immunity - though I admit I didn't know what is was nor that it was different to herd immunity until I just looked it up.
Ultimately, it all adds up to “no chance of ever reaching herd immunity for covid”, says Hunter. He adds that at a UK all-party parliamentary committee held on 10 August, attending scientists were unanimous in their opinion that the UK wasn't going to reach herd immunity. Instead, most researchers seem to agree that the UK will reach what is known as an “endemic equilibrium”, whereby covid-19 becomes seasonal.
I guess it shows there is still a lot to be learnt about strategies for dealing with covid and how best to tackle it.
herd immunity with acceptable numbers of dead each year then
"Endemic equilibrium" (which I assume is what you're referring to) is different to herd immunity - though I admit I didn't know what is was nor that it was different to herd immunity until I just looked it up.
Ultimately, it all adds up to “no chance of ever reaching herd immunity for covid”, says Hunter. He adds that at a UK all-party parliamentary committee held on 10 August, attending scientists were unanimous in their opinion that the UK wasn't going to reach herd immunity. Instead, most researchers seem to agree that the UK will reach what is known as an “endemic equilibrium”, whereby covid-19 becomes seasonal.
I guess it shows there is still a lot to be learnt about strategies for dealing with covid and how best to tackle it.
herd immunity with acceptable numbers of dead each year then
"Endemic equilibrium" (which I assume is what you're referring to) is different to herd immunity - though I admit I didn't know what is was nor that it was different to herd immunity until I just looked it up.
Ultimately, it all adds up to “no chance of ever reaching herd immunity for covid”, says Hunter. He adds that at a UK all-party parliamentary committee held on 10 August, attending scientists were unanimous in their opinion that the UK wasn't going to reach herd immunity. Instead, most researchers seem to agree that the UK will reach what is known as an “endemic equilibrium”, whereby covid-19 becomes seasonal.
I guess it shows there is still a lot to be learnt about strategies for dealing with covid and how best to tackle it.
herd immunity with acceptable numbers of dead each year then
If you say so.
its not me saying it its what the report is saying
just not in plain English .
break it down to its simpliatic form
vaccines supress effects
vaccines dont cure ( covid)
people with or without vaccines will die .
its herd immunity just not spelt out that way .