Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
Its not a job you are forced into.
Most who go into it must believe they have
enough intelligence , patience or ego to do it ,
yes it may well be to help others initially ,
but the other 3 things play a part .
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
Its not a job you are forced into.
Most who go into it must believe they have
enough intelligence , patience or ego to do it ,
yes it may well be to help others initially ,
but the other 3 things play a part .
£82 k a year isnt enough though according to some
Tuffers they also go into it with a sense of belief and also responsibility. For some its almost evangelical. Sitting in a church hall at mid-day on a Friday listening to constituents issues and complaints - and then trying to do something about them - is not a great job for most of us. The money only comes into it for some, but people are not queuing round the block to have a go at being an MP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
Its not a job you are forced into.
Most who go into it must believe they have
enough intelligence , patience or ego to do it ,
yes it may well be to help others initially ,
but the other 3 things play a part .
£82 k a year isnt enough though according to some
Tuffers they also go into it with a sense of belief and also responsibility. For some its almost evangelical. Sitting in a church hall at mid-day on a Friday listening to constituents issues and complaints - and then trying to do something about them - is not a great job for most of us. The money only comes into it for some, but people are not queuing round the block to have a go at being an MP.
I wont disagree with any of that ,
But having known a Couple of MP's personally
it was quite clear that there own egos fuelled it all .
Please understand sometimes an Ego can be a very good thing .
But it can get lost in the deluge of rotten politics .
Its not a job you are forced into.
Most who go into it must believe they have
enough intelligence , patience or ego to do it ,
yes it may well be to help others initially ,
but the other 3 things play a part .
£82 k a year isnt enough though according to some
Tuffers they also go into it with a sense of belief and also responsibility. For some its almost evangelical. Sitting in a church hall at mid-day on a Friday listening to constituents issues and complaints - and then trying to do something about them - is not a great job for most of us. The money only comes into it for some, but people are not queuing round the block to have a go at being an MP.
I wont disagree with any of that ,
But having known a Couple of MP's personally
it was quite clear that there own egos fuelled it all .
Please understand sometimes an Ego can be a very good thing .
But it can get lost in the deluge of rotten politics .
Tuffers they also go into it with a sense of belief and also responsibility. For some its almost evangelical. Sitting in a church hall at mid-day on a Friday listening to constituents issues and complaints - and then trying to do something about them - is not a great job for most of us. The money only comes into it for some, but people are not queuing round the block to have a go at being an MP.
I wont disagree with any of that ,
But having known a Couple of MP's personally
it was quite clear that there own egos fuelled it all .
Please understand sometimes an Ego can be a very good thing .
But it can get lost in the deluge of rotten politics .
Which MPs did you know personally?
OMG, did not take long did it till the arguments start with the usual culprits.
I wont disagree with any of that ,
But having known a Couple of MP's personally
it was quite clear that there own egos fuelled it all .
Please understand sometimes an Ego can be a very good thing .
But it can get lost in the deluge of rotten politics .
Which MPs did you know personally?
OMG, did not take long did it till the arguments start with the usual culprits.
It can be classed as a terrorist attack but personally I’ll put it down to the bloke being a lunatic.
Waiting calmly in a queue, stabbing someone multiple times and then sitting on the kerb waiting to be arrested is hardly the work of a sane person to me.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
I’ve only ever lived in constituencies ‘served’ by Simon Burns, Brooks Newmark and James Cleverly, so yes maybe my view has been tainted by these self serving individuals.
The majority of Tory MPs don’t get into this for the £80k salary or for thanks from their constituents. Its difficult for me to comprehend they’re not all like that and some of them - as so clearly appears to be the case here - are decent guys.
Tuffers they also go into it with a sense of belief and also responsibility. For some its almost evangelical. Sitting in a church hall at mid-day on a Friday listening to constituents issues and complaints - and then trying to do something about them - is not a great job for most of us. The money only comes into it for some, but people are not queuing round the block to have a go at being an MP.
I wont disagree with any of that ,
But having known a Couple of MP's personally
it was quite clear that there own egos fuelled it all .
Please understand sometimes an Ego can be a very good thing .
But it can get lost in the deluge of rotten politics .
Which MPs did you know personally?
Vivian Bendall , Neil Gerrard , Bernadette Devlin ( although she was no longer an MP )
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
I’ve only ever lived in constituencies ‘served’ by Simon Burns, Brooks Newmark and James Cleverly, so yes maybe my view has been tainted by these self serving individuals.
The majority of Tory MPs don’t get into this for the £80k salary or for thanks from their constituents. Its difficult for me to comprehend they’re not all like that and some of them - as so clearly appears to be the case here - are decent guys.
Most MPs I work with are hard working and dedicated to their constituencies regardless of any party affiliations. I've often been impressed by how they will work with each other, across party divides, if it has a beneficial outcome. In fact, I have very rarely experienced their personal beliefs or party allegiances being brought up. To be effective you have to be pragmatic.
You can always spot the thrusters who may only jump on a particular bandwagon if they think it may enhance their careers (usually this lot are more right-leaning). But you will sometimes come across the obstinate ideologues, who tend not to value cross-party relationships as they may be accused of fraternising with the enemy (usually more left-leaning).
Away from the glare of publicity, you see a very different side to things. The public perception is certainly disproportionately influenced by a small faction.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
I’ve only ever lived in constituencies ‘served’ by Simon Burns, Brooks Newmark and James Cleverly, so yes maybe my view has been tainted by these self serving individuals.
The majority of Tory MPs don’t get into this for the £80k salary or for thanks from their constituents. Its difficult for me to comprehend they’re not all like that and some of them - as so clearly appears to be the case here - are decent guys.
Most MPs I work with are hard working and dedicated to their constituencies regardless of any party affiliations. I've often been impressed by how they will work with each other, across party divides, if it has a beneficial outcome. In fact, I have very rarely experienced their personal beliefs or party allegiances being brought up. To be effective you have to be pragmatic.
You can always spot the thrusters who may only jump on a particular bandwagon if they think it may enhance their careers (usually this lot are more right-leaning). But you will sometimes come across the obstinate ideologues, who tend not to value cross-party relationships as they may be accused of fraternising with the enemy (usually more left-leaning).
Away from the glare of publicity, you see a very different side to things. The public perception is certainly disproportionately influenced by a small faction.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
I’ve only ever lived in constituencies ‘served’ by Simon Burns, Brooks Newmark and James Cleverly, so yes maybe my view has been tainted by these self serving individuals.
The majority of Tory MPs don’t get into this for the £80k salary or for thanks from their constituents. Its difficult for me to comprehend they’re not all like that and some of them - as so clearly appears to be the case here - are decent guys.
I've seen a few career minded ones (got one here in my Sevenoaks constituency atm and she's dire) as well as those elevated to represent a factional viewpoint. They ain't all bad - and they ain't all good.
I read somewhere that in ancient Greece, you were just selected by ballot to be a representative for a period of time. It was seen as public service and you couldn't turn it down and you and all the rest of the representatives then ran the country. Sounds like a good system.
StillSpike wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:45 pm
I read somewhere that in ancient Greece, you were just selected by ballot to be a representative for a period of time. It was seen as public service and you couldn't turn it down and you and all the rest of the representatives then ran the country. Sounds like a good system.
A country that could be run by members of this, and other, football message boards?. Can't think of anything worse.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:52 am
What sickening news. My condolences to his family and friends, may he RIP.
From the epitaphs on the tv this morning, Sir David doesn’t sound like your usual Tory - a hardworking MP with his constituents best interest at heart, wherever that constituency happens to be, who are genuinely going to miss him and his work.
RIP.
I think the silent majority of MP's work hard with the best interests of their constituents at heart. Our views are tainted by a combination of career advancing individuals who as such hog the media limelight.
Being an MP is a thankless task and if we all knew what it entailed I'm not sure that most of us would either be able to keep up the work or want to do it in the first place.
Its not a job you are forced into.
Most who go into it must believe they have
enough intelligence , patience or ego to do it ,
yes it may well be to help others initially ,
but the other 3 things play a part .
£82 k a year isnt enough though according to some
At least he chose to work and not sit back and claim benefits. £82k is not a great salary for a hard working MP but it is a lot for most of the lazy, self important MPs that all parties have.
StillSpike wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:45 pm
I read somewhere that in ancient Greece, you were just selected by ballot to be a representative for a period of time. It was seen as public service and you couldn't turn it down and you and all the rest of the representatives then ran the country. Sounds like a good system.
A country that could be run by members of this, and other, football message boards?. Can't think of anything worse.
I can. We've currently got one that's as bad as it gets.
