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Re: Labour Watch

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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:03 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:51 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:39 pm

Football should be decided on PR. Possession Rate. Last season we would have been promoted. Shame it’s determined by individual results success. Bummer.
More importantly it isn't very democratic. At least football doesn't pretend to be that.
How Many World Cups Have Germany won again ?
They have PR
Now i know many Englundish will claim 2 world wars
but i give you
Porsche Mercedes BMW Audi VW
Siemens Allianz Bosch Aldi Bayer
Puma Adidas Hugo Boss DHL Braun .

Hmmmm who won again ?
Aldi :D
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To be fair, we created Iceland which is inferior

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Re: Labour Watch

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Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:28 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:03 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:51 pm

More importantly it isn't very democratic. At least football doesn't pretend to be that.
How Many World Cups Have Germany won again ?
They have PR
Now i know many Englundish will claim 2 world wars
but i give you
Porsche Mercedes BMW Audi VW
Siemens Allianz Bosch Aldi Bayer
Puma Adidas Hugo Boss DHL Braun .

Hmmmm who won again ?
The master race. We can’t match their track record, especially when it comes to democracy and fair play.
I thought England was the master race ?

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Re: Labour Watch

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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:04 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:28 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:03 pm

How Many World Cups Have Germany won again ?
They have PR
Now i know many Englundish will claim 2 world wars
but i give you
Porsche Mercedes BMW Audi VW
Siemens Allianz Bosch Aldi Bayer
Puma Adidas Hugo Boss DHL Braun .

Hmmmm who won again ?
The master race. We can’t match their track record, especially when it comes to democracy and fair play.
I thought England was the master race ?

Nazi ideology.
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Re: Labour Watch

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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:47 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:03 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:51 pm

More importantly it isn't very democratic. At least football doesn't pretend to be that.
How Many World Cups Have Germany won again ?
They have PR
Now i know many Englundish will claim 2 world wars
but i give you
Porsche Mercedes BMW Audi VW
Siemens Allianz Bosch Aldi Bayer
Puma Adidas Hugo Boss DHL Braun .

Hmmmm who won again ?
Aldi :D
Not a bad little Family Buisness
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Yeah maybe i should leave that one off
it was a minor attempt at comedy though
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Re: Labour Watch

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Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:06 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:04 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:28 pm

The master race. We can’t match their track record, especially when it comes to democracy and fair play.
I thought England was the master race ?

Nazi ideology.
The Formation of the British Empire was based on Nazi Ideaology ?

I never knew , explains the Right Wing of politics here though
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A lot like the EU than . That was also based on Nazi ideology
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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:28 pm A lot like the EU than . That was also based on Nazi ideology
Hitler Youf eh ?

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Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:39 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:58 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:52 pm

Shame elections are determined by seats and not vote share init
Indeed and that's why we should have PR
Football should be decided on PR. Possession Rate. Last season we would have been promoted. Shame it’s determined by individual results success. Bummer.
What on Earth are you going on about?

For the record, Labour votes this century by election:

2019 10.3m
2017 12.9m
2015 9.4m
2010 8.6m
2005 9.6m
2001 10.7m

Jezza is clearly the most popular Labour leader of this century.
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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:08 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:06 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:04 pm

I thought England was the master race ?

Nazi ideology.
The Formation of the British Empire was based on Nazi Ideaology ?

I never knew , explains the Right Wing of politics here though
The term master race was Nazi ideology.
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Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:08 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:06 pm

Nazi ideology.
The Formation of the British Empire was based on Nazi Ideaology ?

I never knew , explains the Right Wing of politics here though
The term master race was Nazi ideology.
So you answer my post about The Empire with its Tens of Millions of Dead Bodies &
Its major role in the Start of Slavery that lasted a hundred years plus &
Say the Empire isnt worse than Nazi Ideaogy .

Blimey !
Thats a Bit Rich
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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:34 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:08 pm

The Formation of the British Empire was based on Nazi Ideaology ?

I never knew , explains the Right Wing of politics here though
The term master race was Nazi ideology.
So you answer my post about The Empire with its Tens of Millions of Dead Bodies &
Its major role in the Start of Slavery that lasted a hundred years plus &
Say the Empire isnt worse than Nazi Ideaogy .

Blimey !
Thats a Bit Rich
Not really, the direction of the conversation as gone off from where it started. Context changes. I tend to duck out these days when that happens in the playground. 👍. I’ll do that now.
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Re: Labour Watch

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Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:34 pm
Dohnut wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:11 pm

The term master race was Nazi ideology.
So you answer my post about The Empire with its Tens of Millions of Dead Bodies &
Its major role in the Start of Slavery that lasted a hundred years plus &
Say the Empire isnt worse than Nazi Ideaogy .

Blimey !
Thats a Bit Rich
Not really, the direction of the conversation as gone off from where it started. Context changes. I tend to duck out these days when that happens in the playground. 👍. I’ll do that now.
it was you who took it in a different direction

I just Mentioned a few companies like Audi.& Aldi .

Then you went all Nazi ideaology .Still good.youve decided to back out .
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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:27 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:58 pm
Currywurst and Chips wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:52 pm

Shame elections are determined by seats and not vote share init
Indeed and that's why we should have PR
But a professor in the guardian said this week Labour would not stand a chance under PR.
You're not getting it. Who cares about Labour Party. It is a failed institution which is rotten to the core.
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Ok, who do you reckon we'd get under PR then?
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Prestige Worldwide wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:03 pm Ok, who do you reckon we'd get under PR then?
Arthur Scargill
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Max B Gold wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:05 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:03 pm Ok, who do you reckon we'd get under PR then?
Arthur Scargill
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Max B Gold wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:19 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:27 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:58 pm

Indeed and that's why we should have PR
But a professor in the guardian said this week Labour would not stand a chance under PR.
You're not getting it. Who cares about Labour Party. It is a failed institution which is rotten to the core.
Not true. The Labour Party is a strong worker for the common man, over the past few years they have forgotten about the majority of us ordinary people and focussed on the extremist elements who have the biggest gobs and loudest shouts. Starmer is trying to rectify that. But it may take time.
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Dohnut wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:00 pm
Max B Gold wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:19 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:27 pm
But a professor in the guardian said this week Labour would not stand a chance under PR.
You're not getting it. Who cares about Labour Party. It is a failed institution which is rotten to the core.
Not true. The Labour Party is a strong worker for the common man, over the past few years they have forgotten about the majority of us ordinary people and focussed on the extremist elements who have the biggest gobs and loudest shouts. Starmer is trying to rectify that. But it may take time.
You've got one of the biggest gobs on here so you must be an extremist.
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Labour have no chance of winning the next election, IMO.

They need to win around 125 Tory seats, as well as holding every one they already hold. Its never been done, and its not going to happen next time either.

The best Labour can expect, is to make inroads into the Tory lead, so that the election after next, they give themselves a tiny squeak of a chance.

Apart from that, Labour isnt making inroads, and isnt hitting it off with the electorate.

We are desperate for a decent opposition, who could beat the Tories, but Starmer's Labour isnt it IMO
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Jack wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:42 pm Labour have no chance of winning the next election, IMO.

They need to win around 125 Tory seats, as well as holding every one they already hold. Its never been done, and its not going to happen next time either.

Yes it has .

They went from 154 seats Labour 386 seats tory to
393 seats Labour to 197 seats tory .


Please if you are going to quote something has never been done &
isnt likely ever to be done , Make sure you are Correct

Otherwise a Fug Smucker like me will pop up & say

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Jack wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:42 pm Labour have no chance of winning the next election, IMO.

They need to win around 125 Tory seats, as well as holding every one they already hold. Its never been done, and its not going to happen next time either.

The best Labour can expect, is to make inroads into the Tory lead, so that the election after next, they give themselves a tiny squeak of a chance.

Apart from that, Labour isnt making inroads, and isnt hitting it off with the electorate.

We are desperate for a decent opposition, who could beat the Tories, but Starmer's Labour isnt it IMO
2017 was our chance and the fuckers within the party ruined it for us.

We’ll never see a labour government again.
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We still have a massive disconnect between the membership of the Labour Party and the Parliamentary Labour Party, ie, the MP’s. Far too many of the latter are just there pedalling the current tory lite line while the members are overwhelmingly far more socialist. That’s why SKSQC wants to change the party voting system so that it’s skewed in favour of the sitting MP’s rather than the general membership. Which, when you consider that the membership is well over 600,000 and the MP’s is 199, seems a bit odd. It’s almost like they want to change the system so that it’s harder for the membership to choose the leader. Isn’t that strange?
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Stowaway wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:52 pm We still have a massive disconnect between the membership of the Labour Party and the Parliamentary Labour Party, ie, the MP’s. Far too many of the latter are just there pedalling the current tory lite line while the members are overwhelmingly far more socialist. That’s why SKSQC wants to change the party voting system so that it’s skewed in favour of the sitting MP’s rather than the general membership. Which, when you consider that the membership is well over 600,000 and the MP’s is 199, seems a bit odd. It’s almost like they want to change the system so that it’s harder for the membership to choose the leader. Isn’t that strange?
The membership voted for the changes at conference bud
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Currywurst and Chips wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:56 pm
Stowaway wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:52 pm We still have a massive disconnect between the membership of the Labour Party and the Parliamentary Labour Party, ie, the MP’s. Far too many of the latter are just there pedalling the current tory lite line while the members are overwhelmingly far more socialist. That’s why SKSQC wants to change the party voting system so that it’s skewed in favour of the sitting MP’s rather than the general membership. Which, when you consider that the membership is well over 600,000 and the MP’s is 199, seems a bit odd. It’s almost like they want to change the system so that it’s harder for the membership to choose the leader. Isn’t that strange?
The membership voted for the changes at conference bud
Wrong.
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