Energy prices

[Dunners]

"The cheapest tariffs available today are 40% more than the cheapest tariffs available a year ago."

Good egg Martin Lewis with some advice on damage limitation:

[StillSpike]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

[Dunners]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Well, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Feels like a great time for a year long sabbatical I’m taking. Spot on timing.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

COMMIE ALERT COMMIE ALERT!

Pretty sure we already tried that and it didn’t work.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

There’s literally no way The Government would be able to run all this ourselves.

We need these well run commercial energy companies such as edf to sort it out properly.

[Dunners]

There’s literally no way The Government would be able to run all this ourselves.

We need these well run commercial energy companies such as edf to sort it out properly.

It's not a question of whether a government could run this. It's whether our government could.

But at least I get to enjoy cheaper energy prices for my gaff in France thanks to EDF's domestic tariffs being subsidised by their profits made in overseas markets.

[Max B Gold]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Well, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?

It's because we left the IEM when we Brexited.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/09/20/the- ... gy-prices/

[tuffers#1]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Th*tchers vision of competition.
Meh

[Millennial Snowflake]

Yet another reason to buy Bitcoin lads

[StillSpike]

It's certainly starting to look a bit messy.

We could go from having about 50 energy suppliers as of March, to less than ten in a month or two. This is what I heard on the wireless this morning, so am assuming it's an alarmist worst case scenario. But still, to be even contemplating that prospect...

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Th*tchers vision of competition.
Meh

Yep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.

[Dunners]

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Well, yeah, there is that. But don't these companies also act as wholesale purchasers, or is that all largely centralised too?

It's because we left the IEM when we Brexited.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/09/20/the- ... gy-prices/

FFS. So this is yet another thing the poor get to thank Brexiteers, like Hotdogs, for?

[Max B Gold]

[Long slender neck]

How would that help with a rise in wholesale prices?

[Max B Gold]

How would that help with a rise in wholesale prices?

One buyer with market clout.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

[Max B Gold]

Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers

[tuffers#1]

But that's the point. They're not "suppliers" are they, really? They're billing companies. The so-called energy market isn't a real market - the energy is generated, fed into a universal network through which it's piped to the consumer. These companies don't run gas pipes and electricity cables to their customers.

It's just a fake "market" that's been crowbarred into the energy supply system. I'd nationalise the whole lot of it and then the government would be supplier, distributor and biller and could easily protect the consumer from these price rises.

Th*tchers vision of competition.
Meh

Yep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.

So Th@tcher wasnt interested in a FREE market
Just creating the illusion of one ?

Typical Fugging Tories !

[tuffers#1]

Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers

Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentions

[Max B Gold]

Th*tchers vision of competition.
Meh

Yep - but it's just the illusion of competition - a fake "market" to make it seem that you get your energy from one of a number of suppliers - when in reality it's generated and distributed by the same system, regardless on the Company name that appears on your bill. It's f*cking ludicrous, to be honest - imagine how much money, time and effort is involved splitting up the revenues and the costs *Plus, of course, the profits that are stripped out of the process - all that resource would be better spent providing the service to the consumer. Yet we're supposed to believe the "Public bad - Private good" mantra.

So Th@tcher wasnt interested in a FREE market
Just creating the illusion of one ?

Typical Fugging Tories !

She liked the single market that EU membership provided. But sadly her Tory pals betrayed her and now it's just a long lost memory.

[Max B Gold]

Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers

Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentions

Keith will be 30 points ahead.

[tuffers#1]

Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers

Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentions

Keith will be 30 points ahead.

And he hadls done nothing ?

Blimey He's a clever chap isn't he

[Max B Gold]

Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentions

Keith will be 30 points ahead.

And he hadls done nothing ?

Blimey He's a clever chap isn't he

Forensically intelligent.

[Max B Gold]

Capitalist markets fail. The solution? Yes you've guessed it socialism for the rich with us the taxpayer picking up the tab. The Taxpayers Alliance will go mentalist bonkers.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -customers

Cant wait to see the next vote polling intentions

Keith will be 30 points ahead.

Mibees Naw

[Currywurst and Chips]

Publicly owned energy provider

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-54015033