Migrants crossing the channel

[Dunners]

For an Aussie's take on their approach to migrant sea crossings, here is an interview with Helen Dale. She's a writer, lawyer and, for a while, was a political advisor for the Liberal Democrats in the Australian Senate.

(I'm not endorsing this, by the way, but it is interesting to hear the rationale behind the Australian government's approach. Even if you do have to put up with the 'hilarious' Francis Foster.)

[Kimpon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58484976

What is the solution to this?

France etc dont want these people so arent going to try too hard to stop them and we cant very well stop them once they are in the middle of the sea.

Why cant these gangs be stopped?

Whilst the ‘rewards’ in the UK are better than the EU they will continue.

Can you tell us what these rewards are?

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

[StillSpike]

Whilst the ‘rewards’ in the UK are better than the EU they will continue.

Can you tell us what these rewards are?

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/infor ... MIQAvD_BwE

From the above, it seems that only 1% of the 26.4 million people displaced across the world have come to the UK. So that kind of indicates that some 99% of them have not gone through "a dozen or so safe countries" and have stopped earlier in the journey (indeed, 85%+ of all displaced persons are housed in developing countries). I suppose the 1% who do come here may have other reasons - like they already have family here, or they can speak English already, for example - rather than the £40-odd a week they get on a debit card if they do come here.

[Max B Gold]

Can you tell us what these rewards are?

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/infor ... MIQAvD_BwE

From the above, it seems that only 1% of the 26.4 million people displaced across the world have come to the UK. So that kind of indicates that some 99% of them have not gone through "a dozen or so safe countries" and have stopped earlier in the journey (indeed, 85%+ of all displaced persons are housed in developing countries). I suppose the 1% who do come here may have other reasons - like they already have family here, or they can speak English already, for example - rather than the £40-odd a week they get on a debit card if they do come here.

Good news that we are providing shelter for frightened and abused refugees. Somebody said the other day that there are literally hundreds of thousands of job vacancies in transport, hospitality and agriculture for them to earn a living in. Its win win.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Has caca done his ‘Blimey, didn’t expect to start an argument!’ post yet, or will that be on the next page?

[tuffers#1]

Whilst the ‘rewards’ in the UK are better than the EU they will continue.

Can you tell us what these rewards are?

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

If you dont know what the rewards you cliam are on offer are ,
then maybe they dont exist ?

Just seems that you think there is a prize of some sort .

I know what the prize is but i dont think you do .

[Kimpon]

The reward is getting here

[Kimpon]

Can you tell us what these rewards are?

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/infor ... MIQAvD_BwE

From the above, it seems that only 1% of the 26.4 million people displaced across the world have come to the UK. So that kind of indicates that some 99% of them have not gone through "a dozen or so safe countries" and have stopped earlier in the journey (indeed, 85%+ of all displaced persons are housed in developing countries). I suppose the 1% who do come here may have other reasons - like they already have family here, or they can speak English already, for example - rather than the £40-odd a week they get on a debit card if they do come here.

‘Refugee Council’.

Do me a favour

[Ornchurch]

Maybe if things weren’t as sh*t in the countries they’re fleeing, they wouldn’t flee?

True. But this is meant to be one of the most xenophobic and racist countries in the world so why do they pass through so many others to get here?

[StillSpike]

Don’t know, must be good rewards here to go through a dozen or so safe countries then get in a boat risking their lives to get to this ‘Racist ‘ Land as many suggest it is.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/infor ... MIQAvD_BwE

From the above, it seems that only 1% of the 26.4 million people displaced across the world have come to the UK. So that kind of indicates that some 99% of them have not gone through "a dozen or so safe countries" and have stopped earlier in the journey (indeed, 85%+ of all displaced persons are housed in developing countries). I suppose the 1% who do come here may have other reasons - like they already have family here, or they can speak English already, for example - rather than the £40-odd a week they get on a debit card if they do come here.

‘Refugee Council’.

Do me a favour

United Nations good enough for you?

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistic ... /?url=n0DE

United Kingdom is home to about 195,000 Refugees and Asylum seekers, out of the 26.4 million global total (excluding displaced Venezuelans) - that's just under 0.8%. By way of contrast, Pakistan and Germany host around 1.4 million, or just over 5% of the world total, each.

99.2% of refugees didn't make their way to the UK, so they must have stopped somewhere else.

[Long slender neck]

What about migrants though?

[Kimpon]

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/infor ... MIQAvD_BwE

From the above, it seems that only 1% of the 26.4 million people displaced across the world have come to the UK. So that kind of indicates that some 99% of them have not gone through "a dozen or so safe countries" and have stopped earlier in the journey (indeed, 85%+ of all displaced persons are housed in developing countries). I suppose the 1% who do come here may have other reasons - like they already have family here, or they can speak English already, for example - rather than the £40-odd a week they get on a debit card if they do come here.

‘Refugee Council’.

Do me a favour

United Nations good enough for you?

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistic ... /?url=n0DE

United Kingdom is home to about 195,000 Refugees and Asylum seekers, out of the 26.4 million global total (excluding displaced Venezuelans) - that's just under 0.8%. By way of contrast, Pakistan and Germany host around 1.4 million, or just over 5% of the world total, each.

99.2% of refugees didn't make their way to the UK, so they must have stopped somewhere else.

Where were they in Afghanistan? They love sunning themselves in places like Cyprus

[Stowaway]

I do like this place sometimes. It reminds me of how many fuckheads we have in the UK and that we really can’t afford to let our guard drop.

[Beradogs]

Yeah you racist fckheads. Not wanting illegal immigration into your country. The same as the citizens of every other country on earth. Anyway, the invasion hasn’t even started. We are only at the very beginning of the mass movement of people. I am saving my blood pressure until they not only land on the beach but start queuing for a 99 with a flake.

[Kimpon]

Sad thing is that those who legally want to apply for asylum are ‘trumped’ (no pun intended) but those who jump the queue , lining the pockets of the people smugglers. Let’s not forget also, many of those who enter illegally by boat, lorries and such , disappear into the system. Modern day slavery and child abuse issues by these means are rife.

[tuffers#1]

The reward is getting here

Nah
Wrong answer

[tuffers#1]

Sad thing is that those who legally want to apply for asylum are ‘trumped’ (no pun intended) but those who jump the queue , lining the pockets of the people smugglers. Let’s not forget also, many of those who enter illegally by boat, lorries and such , disappear into the system. Modern day slavery and child abuse issues by these means are rife.

Links for all these claims you make please

[Dunners]

Has caca done his ‘Blimey, didn’t expect to start an argument!’ post yet, or will that be on the next page?

He can deploy it now.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Maybe if things weren’t as sh*t in the countries they’re fleeing, they wouldn’t flee?

True. But this is meant to be one of the most xenophobic and racist countries in the world so why do they pass through so many others to get here?

Which idiot said that?

[Max B Gold]

Yeah you racist fckheads. Not wanting illegal immigration into your country. The same as the citizens of every other country on earth. Anyway, the invasion hasn’t even started. We are only at the very beginning of the mass movement of people. I am saving my blood pressure until they not only land on the beach but start queuing for a 99 with a flake.

Sir

You are confusing illegal immigration with refugees seeking asylum which is not illegal.

Yours faithfully

Lord Gold QC

[Kimpon]

Sad thing is that those who legally want to apply for asylum are ‘trumped’ (no pun intended) but those who jump the queue , lining the pockets of the people smugglers. Let’s not forget also, many of those who enter illegally by boat, lorries and such , disappear into the system. Modern day slavery and child abuse issues by these means are rife.

Links for all these claims you make please

No claims , so many cases of people being ‘discovered’ after years of imprisonment. Easy to understand when cases of say East Europeans were trafficked into the UK (easy when we were once in the EU) to ‘work as Au Pairs’ or ‘Farm Workers’ the sent straight to a Brothel.

I do not know what World you live in but you must be so naive.

[Kimpon]

Maybe if things weren’t as sh*t in the countries they’re fleeing, they wouldn’t flee?

True. But this is meant to be one of the most xenophobic and racist countries in the world so why do they pass through so many others to get here?

Which idiot said that?

Many Labour MP’s, various ‘Commissions’ and revered Public Figures and Broadcasters. Easy enough to Google of course.

[tuffers#1]

Sad thing is that those who legally want to apply for asylum are ‘trumped’ (no pun intended) but those who jump the queue , lining the pockets of the people smugglers. Let’s not forget also, many of those who enter illegally by boat, lorries and such , disappear into the system. Modern day slavery and child abuse issues by these means are rife.

Links for all these claims you make please

No claims , so many cases of people being ‘discovered’ after years of imprisonment. Easy to understand when cases of say East Europeans were trafficked into the UK (easy when we were once in the EU) to ‘work as Au Pairs’ or ‘Farm Workers’ the sent straight to a Brothel.

I do not know what World you live in but you must be so naive.

Me Naive ?

I dont remember to many stories of Eastern Europeans
Coming across the Channel as refugees on boats .

So you always make up 1 argument
Then use a seperate argument to try &
Justify your 1st argument .
Ive seen this tactic before
No credibility at all

Welcome back No1Orient fan ( iwasrightbutamwrongagain/orientTony/etc) .

[Adz]

It's not too hard to do, as australia has proved, and look how much more coastline is here than in the UK. But you have to be willing to accept some pretty horrific human rights abuses.

[E10EU]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58484976

What is the solution to this?

France etc dont want these people so arent going to try too hard to stop them and we cant very well stop them once they are in the middle of the sea.

Why cant these gangs be stopped?

A row of mines strung across the Channel

Yeah, who needs ferry and shipping services across the Channel for fishing, imports, exports, travellers?

The funniest thing is that because of Brexit and the UK no longer being part of the EU, the previous agreements about returning asylum seekers to the EU point of departure no longer applies. Brexiteers really have 'shot themselves in the foot'.