Acid Aatack in Walthamstow Market

[tuffers#1]

So would all those who'd bought mr muscle
( other brands are available) drain cleaner, or some caustic soda , or other shop bought home use acid be liable to these sentences ?

I ask as a couple of weeks ago i bought some drain cleaner & caustic soda.
Theoretically i could do time in JAIL .

Its idiotic comments like this that do the debate no good at all.

How us it an Idiotic comment .
I bought them didnt have a bag , carried them openly in my hands.

A copper having a bad or narky day would have been well within his rights to stop & question me.
Now im talkative enough to.say yes fella, got a blocked internal drain & have to do the sink & the bath every now & then as there isnt a huge fall on the plumbing when the bathroom was originally fitted.

Some poor bugger who isnt so chatty may not be so lucky & get hauled off.


Its not like those who are going out to commit acid attacks show everybody there intention to do so ,
So how would the Police know ?
Acid attacks are very different to knuves & guns

A knife or gun would be enough to scare people away with the threat of use.

Acid is not carried to make a threat.

It is carried to do major damage to a person.

[Max B Gold]

So would all those who'd bought mr muscle
( other brands are available) drain cleaner, or some caustic soda , or other shop bought home use acid be liable to these sentences ?

I ask as a couple of weeks ago i bought some drain cleaner & caustic soda.
Theoretically i could do time in JAIL .

Its idiotic comments like this that do the debate no good at all.

How us it an Idiotic comment .
I bought them didnt have a bag , carried them openly in my hands.

A copper having a bad or narky day would have been well within his rights to stop & question me.
Now im talkative enough to.say yes fella, got a blocked internal drain & have to do the sink & the bath every now & then as there isnt a huge fall on the plumbing when the bathroom was originally fitted.

Some poor bugger who isnt so chatty may not be so lucky & get hauled off.


Its not like those who are going out to commit acid attacks show everybody there intention to do so ,
So how would the Police know ?
Acid attacks are very different to knuves & guns

A knife or gun would be enough to scare people away with the threat of use.

Acid is not carried to make a threat.

It is carried to do major damage to a person.

Are any of the products you listed even Acids. I believe most of them are alkalis. Strong ones mind but not acids.

[one o in huntingdon]

From that well known font of total honesty Dailymail online

After the recent disgusting reporting from this sh*t worthy publication i'm surprised any self respecting O's fan would be reading it

[Max B Gold]

Whilst we could do with more coppers the actual sentences that are handed out right now do not provide enough of a deterrent. Fact.

I was talking to a policeman 2 weeks ago who was investigating a fraud against a vulnerable person. I asked him what the issues are that he faces the most. He said knife crime, violent crime, drugs. I said it pisses me off that May cut the police numbers and that I'd pay more in tax to stop that from happening. Whilst he agreed it was unfortunate that it happened and that she is not liked at all by the police, he said the bigger issue is the sentences handed down by the courts is weak and that the cps is not strong enough at times to take cases on.

He finished by saying until you take away their liberty they will not change. A person carrying a knife cos he might run in to another gang is willing to take that chance cos the punishment is weak.

Anecdotal rubbish.

You still haven't explained why the jails are bursting at the seams if deterence works so well.

A person carrying a knife is doing it because he believes he needs to defend himself. He will still carry it no matter what the sentence might be.

[Thor]

Risk and reward max, they take the risk as the reward can be great and if they get caught generally it could be argued that the sentence is light.

[Proposition Joe]

So much dumb in one thread and from exactly the people I would have predicted.

Anyone desperately trying to link this to any of the milkshake incidents needs to take a long look at themselves.

[Leyton Green]

Knife - currently the sentence is up to 4 years for carrying even if not used. I'd propose 5 years to be served without probation for 1st offence, double it for 2nd offence

Gun - currently the sentence is 5 years min for carrying even if not used. I'd propose 10 years to be served without probation for 1st offence doubled for for 2nd offence.

Acid - currently the sentance is 6 months min. I'd propose to bring it in line with knife crime and make it 5 years without probation doubled for 2nd offence

It's about time we got tough on crime and let the idiots that undertake such violent acts know we are not going to mess around anymore. You will be held accountable and you will go to jail. Only when there is an genuine deterrent will we see a reduction in violence.

So predictable. The jails are full to bursting with people who a deterrent had no effect on whatsoever. Deterrence doesn't work. Think again this time more widely.

So we need a method that provides Justice, deterrent and rehabilitation?

Bring back penal servitude & Hanging.

[tuffers#1]

Its idiotic comments like this that do the debate no good at all.

How us it an Idiotic comment .
I bought them didnt have a bag , carried them openly in my hands.

A copper having a bad or narky day would have been well within his rights to stop & question me.
Now im talkative enough to.say yes fella, got a blocked internal drain & have to do the sink & the bath every now & then as there isnt a huge fall on the plumbing when the bathroom was originally fitted.

Some poor bugger who isnt so chatty may not be so lucky & get hauled off.


Its not like those who are going out to commit acid attacks show everybody there intention to do so ,
So how would the Police know ?
Acid attacks are very different to knuves & guns

A knife or gun would be enough to scare people away with the threat of use.

Acid is not carried to make a threat.

It is carried to do major damage to a person.

Are any of the products you listed even Acids. I believe most of them are alkalis. Strong ones mind but not acids.

Splitting hairs Max , have you ever seen caustic soda burns ?
Admittedly a drain cleaner burn is far less severe but if drain cleaner is poured , squirted at some one & then caustic soda was thrown on top of , it wouldnt end up very nice at all.

[Max B Gold]

How us it an Idiotic comment .
I bought them didnt have a bag , carried them openly in my hands.

A copper having a bad or narky day would have been well within his rights to stop & question me.
Now im talkative enough to.say yes fella, got a blocked internal drain & have to do the sink & the bath every now & then as there isnt a huge fall on the plumbing when the bathroom was originally fitted.

Some poor bugger who isnt so chatty may not be so lucky & get hauled off.


Its not like those who are going out to commit acid attacks show everybody there intention to do so ,
So how would the Police know ?
Acid attacks are very different to knuves & guns

A knife or gun would be enough to scare people away with the threat of use.

Acid is not carried to make a threat.

It is carried to do major damage to a person.

Are any of the products you listed even Acids. I believe most of them are alkalis. Strong ones mind but not acids.

Splitting hairs Max , have you ever seen caustic soda burns ?
Admittedly a drain cleaner burn is far less severe but if drain cleaner is poured , squirted at some one & then caustic soda was thrown on top of , it wouldnt end up very nice at all.

It is an important hair to split. Thor wants tougher sentences for posession of acid but fails to mention other caustic liquids. Aside from strong acids and alkalis there are many substances that can be caustic and cause serious injury.

[tuffers#1]

Fair point well made.

[Mikero]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

Not too sure it would need as much as 5p but the principle of higher taxation to rid the country of scumbags. Count me in.

[Max B Gold]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

Not too sure it would need as much as 5p but the principle of higher taxation to rid the country of scumbags. Count me in.

When you say scumbags. Who do you have in mind?

[Ornchurch]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

Not too sure it would need as much as 5p but the principle of higher taxation to rid the country of scumbags. Count me in.

When you say scumbags. Who do you have in mind?

At a guess I would say scumbags.

[WickfordO]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

If Boris gets in he wants to cut taxes, especially for the rich.

[Forty-Niner]

Look on the bright side: our deaths from shark attacks compare very favourably with other countries.

[Disoriented]

Look on the bright side: our deaths from shark attacks compare very favourably with other countries.

Have you factored in deaths from lone sharks?

[Thor]

Five pence on income tax to pay for the new prisons anyone?

Mikero

If Boris gets in he wants to cut taxes, especially for the rich.

I might be wrong, but didn't he say he wanted to move the tax thresholds upwards? So the current £40k odd @40% to £80k? I think thats what he said. I'd suggest people paying 40% tax on 40k odd are not rich people, just normal working class people. If he's suggesting that, then I think it would help a lot of families who now are taxed higher than has ever been proportionately previously.

As long as the lower rate is raised to a similar level proportionate to the upper then I'd day that was fair and will really help the lower paid people in society.

I would not want the 150k @ 45% to be raised on either value.