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Howling Mad Murdock wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:05 pm
Adz wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 pm Eventually var will replace lino's and 4th officials. The AI tech will improve to the extent that all offside decisions are instantly relayed to the ref. Ultimately the ref will just be there to communicate decisions to players, rather than make decisions themselves.
Good idea.They should privatise football.
Future games may well be Robot referees and players rather than humans, will avoid injuries and cut down on paying the players too much in wages, thus cheaper prices to watch the games !! Just input the available data about the greatest player and here we go with a team that might include players like a Robot Gordon Banks in goal, Robot Bobby Moore in defence and Robot Pele up front !
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I'm amazed there hasn't been more work in AI for offside and removing the need for human assistant officials.

Image and motion recognition is mature technology now and AI / machine learning would have such a huge bank of source video data to learn the minutiae of offside calls that it should then be able to decide in real-time in a live game. Simple live graphics for the crowd and TV like goal-line tech and it could be implemented in a fairly light touch way.
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Adz wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 pm Eventually var will replace lino's and 4th officials. The AI tech will improve to the extent that all offside decisions are instantly relayed to the ref. Ultimately the ref will just be there to communicate decisions to players, rather than make decisions themselves.
Frankly it feels as though this is already happening! I see UEFA are already considering the option of applying VAR to all goals scored as a matter of course! Football is a relatively simple game - why make it complicated?
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Football has always been an exciting, physical game played by human beings, once technology begins to nullify the natural flow
of the game it will diminish the excitement of the spectacle. Alright, so a human linesman doesn't see an offside pass or the goalie steps out four inches when trying to save a penalty, so what, it always has been and always will be part of the game. What VAR
does homogenises the game.
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Blackadder wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:25 pm Football has always been an exciting, physical game played by human beings, once technology begins to nullify the natural flow
of the game it will diminish the excitement of the spectacle. Alright, so a human linesman doesn't see an offside pass or the goalie steps out four inches when trying to save a penalty, so what, it always has been and always will be part of the game. What VAR
does homogenises the game.
Of course, some technology in sport has been a good thing, cricket and tennis especially. Goaline technology in football is quick and completely fair, but football is played by human beings, so these latest VAR rules are just going way over the top. Some of the penalties given in recent games with VAR in place have completely spoiled the games, especially where the penalties have had to be retaken on technicalities, resulting in much bitterness and resentment from both the players and the fans.
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Sid Bishop wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:52 pm
Blackadder wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:25 pm Football has always been an exciting, physical game played by human beings, once technology begins to nullify the natural flow
of the game it will diminish the excitement of the spectacle. Alright, so a human linesman doesn't see an offside pass or the goalie steps out four inches when trying to save a penalty, so what, it always has been and always will be part of the game. What VAR
does homogenises the game.
Of course, some technology in sport has been a good thing, cricket and tennis especially. Goaline technology in football is quick and completely fair, but football is played by human beings, so these latest VAR rules are just going way over the top. Some of the penalties given in recent games with VAR in place have completely spoiled the games, especially where the penalties have had to be retaken on technicalities, resulting in much bitterness and resentment from both the players and the fans.
All sport is played by human beings. Technology is fine, works well in cricket and often corrects an umpire error. As for resentment, fans have been moaning about injustices for years, VAR don’t change that. What it does is allows for considered decisions having looked closely at the incidents rather than relying on the ref making split second decisions.

The game has laws. VAR helps enforce the laws. What’s wrong with that.
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dOh Nut wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:36 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:52 pm
Blackadder wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:25 pm Football has always been an exciting, physical game played by human beings, once technology begins to nullify the natural flow
of the game it will diminish the excitement of the spectacle. Alright, so a human linesman doesn't see an offside pass or the goalie steps out four inches when trying to save a penalty, so what, it always has been and always will be part of the game. What VAR
does homogenises the game.
Of course, some technology in sport has been a good thing, cricket and tennis especially. Goaline technology in football is quick and completely fair, but football is played by human beings, so these latest VAR rules are just going way over the top. Some of the penalties given in recent games with VAR in place have completely spoiled the games, especially where the penalties have had to be retaken on technicalities, resulting in much bitterness and resentment from both the players and the fans.
All sport is played by human beings. Technology is fine, works well in cricket and often corrects an umpire error. As for resentment, fans have been moaning about injustices for years, VAR don’t change that. What it does is allows for considered decisions having looked closely at the incidents rather than relying on the ref making split second decisions.

The game has laws. VAR helps enforce the laws. What’s wrong with that.
Problem is that many experimental and unnecessary new rule changes have been trialed in this women's world cup. The new rule about the goalkeeper keeping one foot on the goal line is unpractical, disliked by all the players and impossible to enforce correctly without VAR. The new hand ball rules are also unfair to defenders and may well lead to defenders trying to play with arms held behind their backs and forwards trying to flick the ball onto any part of the arm they can see. Quite obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that the Scottish girl in the England match had her arm in a completely normal position as she moved to her left in anticipation of the movement of the English forward and the ball hitting the arm was just a normal event and was not intentional. Decisions like that spoil the game as a SPORT and please remember that playing a game is supposed to be a fair and enjoyable SPORT, be what ever sport it is, should be something enjoyable and easy to understand, not bound up with complex and impracticable rules and regulations that spoil the flow of whatever sport it is !! ! Yes cricket and tennis HAVE benefited from the use of technology and football can as well if the technology is kept to the right area's. Too much meddling in the rules in football in recent years has lead to much indecision as to how they should be interpreted, changes in the offside law for just one. Football is hard enough to referee as it is. Rules should be kept as simple and easy to understand as possible, both for the sake of the referee and players. In last nights televised game, when talking about the Scottish and French games where penalties were made to be retaken, Hope Solo, the famous and highly intelligent ex USA ladies goal keeper, said she could see no point at all in this new rule regarding goalkeepers having to keep one foot on the line when facing a penalty kick, she said coming slightly off the line as the ball is kicked gives no advantage at all to the keeper, thinks this new rule is completely unnecessary and impracticable to administer and needs changing back to how it was before, well I trust her knowledge and judgement on this matter.
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