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Maybe the national party should give socialism a go. That hasn't been done for at least 18 months
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Hold on, I thought that it was all about winning elections? Or this that only important when you don’t like the leader?Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 4:19 pmThey already have, to a degree. Labour MP, Shadow Minister, just said on TV that at the last election, people on the doorstep were hostile to Labour. That now is not the case according to her. They are more open to dialogue. That is a major step forward. Labour are no longer the joke, they were. Change of Leader!
What they need to do now is to sell what the party is all about to the general public. Explain what they stand for, their beliefs. It’s a start if people are listening. They just need to talk louder and to the people who matter. That is not Momentum or the union Leaders. Or Corbyn who today is offering advice! Jeez.
The risk is another round of in-fighting. Give Starmer a chance without being hamstrung by people in his own party. The fight is out there, not within. When people grow up to that fact, the Labour Party will genuinely move forward.
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You need to research Liverpool. Poking fingers at one side or another can be dangerous. Me, I just take the view that both sides can be, let’s say creative, in power.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 12:44 pm Corruption is only a matter of degree they all do it. Seriously? Do you think the Tories have pushed the envelope to bursting? Should the police investigate?
I see Johnson's brother now has a job at Dyson. Was it Dyson workers coming to the UK and their tax position that was to be fixed or was it a bit closer to home.
How many ventilators did they deliver to the NHS?
You're right that SirKeith got the wallpaper message wrong. Focusing on the cost of it detracted from the real issue which was about honesty and integrity in govt office.
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Confirmed.
Rumour mill on overtime. Apparently Nandy / Dodds both out. Streeting / Phillips / Reeves in.
Rumour mill on overtime. Apparently Nandy / Dodds both out. Streeting / Phillips / Reeves in.
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Smart moves by the leader, shoring up his support while removing the deadwood.
Very promising
Very promising
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Good to see Sir Kier taking full responsibility for the disaster over the past couple of days.
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Thats a bit like saying Southend had a decent season because they beat us and a few other teams. Even the party itself thinks they had a bad time overall.
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As have said in the other thread, Starmer has made this into a disaster by firing Raynor. The corrective to Labours losing of seats in the north is to start taking more liberal but traditionally Tory seats in the south and major cities. They've begun to make that progress in the east and west of the country with the mayorships there. London, Wales and Manchester all retained easily. Thursdays results aren't nearly as bad as they initially seemed.
The lesson from the west midlands and Tees valley is that having a prominent and popular representative for your party brings a reward in Westminster. Labour need to start rebuilding from the bottom up and have a foothold in some of the
areas they need to win over. But instead it's going to be days of MPs briefing against Starmer. He's manager to take a setback and make into a potentially terminal disaster.
The lesson from the west midlands and Tees valley is that having a prominent and popular representative for your party brings a reward in Westminster. Labour need to start rebuilding from the bottom up and have a foothold in some of the
areas they need to win over. But instead it's going to be days of MPs briefing against Starmer. He's manager to take a setback and make into a potentially terminal disaster.
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Three percent swing Tory to Labour this election from GE2019. Usual caveats apply
As per Yougov
As per Yougov
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I’m surprised by this election, usually such elections are an opportunity to give the incumbent Government a bit of a kicking. Anybody clutching at straws, suggesting it’s not as bad as it seems are not doing the party any favours. It’s bad.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm Three percent swing Tory to Labour this election from GE2019. Usual caveats apply
As per Yougov
Wake up, Smell the coffee, get behind Starmer. At least until a better leader emerges. Not too many serious contenders right now.
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Labour haven't given the incumbent Govt a kicking at local elections since early Miliband. Last time they gained over 500 seats was 2012.Dohnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 7:08 pmI’m surprised by this election, usually such elections are an opportunity to give the incumbent Government a bit of a kicking. Anybody clutching at straws, suggesting it’s not as bad as it seems are not doing the party any favours. It’s bad.Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 1:11 pm Three percent swing Tory to Labour this election from GE2019. Usual caveats apply
As per Yougov
Wake up, Smell the coffee, get behind Starmer. At least until a better leader emerges. Not too many serious contenders right now.
Corbyn lost seats at 3 out of 4 local elections and was net minus 405 councilors at local elections by the end of his time
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He has earned his place in history. Finally achieved something.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 8:08 pm I wonder how many years it’ll be before Jezzas enemies stop harping on about him?
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Agree entirely.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:38 am As have said in the other thread, Starmer has made this into a disaster by firing Raynor. The corrective to Labours losing of seats in the north is to start taking more liberal but traditionally Tory seats in the south and major cities. They've begun to make that progress in the east and west of the country with the mayorships there. London, Wales and Manchester all retained easily. Thursdays results aren't nearly as bad as they initially seemed.
The lesson from the west midlands and Tees valley is that having a prominent and popular representative for your party brings a reward in Westminster. Labour need to start rebuilding from the bottom up and have a foothold in some of the
areas they need to win over. But instead it's going to be days of MPs briefing against Starmer. He's manager to take a setback and make into a potentially terminal disaster.
Starmer totally over reacted. Losing Hartlepool was almost certain as UKIP didn't figure in this bye election. So he shuffles the shadow cabinet in a mad panic. It seems that he hasn't reflected at all, for example: what were the factors leading to the Labour wins in mayoral races, etc. He comes across now as just devoid of emotional intelligence. His actions today won't earn him a more positive appraisal from the general public.
It is said that he is trying to imitate Blair but Blair was quite clever in managing and charming people.
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There is one specific demographic that is keeping Labour from a complete colapse. Looking at the BBC map its quite evident.
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It’s about time we ended this post.It’s getting boring just like the football Orient have dished up this season.
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I wonder how many people have said " If only Rachel Reeves had been shadow Chancellor instead of Anneleise Dodds, we'd have voted Labour" ?