Shamima Begum

[Admin]

TBH My only concern is that if she does come back she serves a long term inside.

If she's found guilty, of course.

Looking at what happened how can she not be?

What's the charge?

[Ornchurch]

The rest of the article.

Suggests to me that at 21 she can choose to be a Bangladeshi national.

What If She Chooses to Be English ?

She can be if she is prepared to stand trial. IMO

[LittleMate]

So she's broken UK law. Why shouldn't she face justice here then?

Don't get me wrong, I understand the emotions behind your view, but what harm do you think she'd be able to do if she returned?

The harm is symbolic.

It may serve to radicalise certain elements of the far right wing and cause tensions in the moderate muslim community that do not want her either.

Our legal system is not set up for this modern problem. There should be an offense in statute that sees people who go off and follow radical fundamentalist ideals immediately incarcerated upon their return. Allow her back in and the people supporting her claims in the UK will want her out on bail.

A serious question. What is the status of her children? She left as single and I'm guessing she wants to bring a family unit back??

All of her children are dead.

Hypothetically, if she returned, what do you think the UK Government would do with her?

Its the symbolism of it all for the reasons I have already highlighted.

[Ornchurch]

If she's found guilty, of course.

Looking at what happened how can she not be?

What's the charge?

Treason will do or Incitement to murder.

[Long slender neck]

Can't she be deported to Islamic State?

Did we revoke citizenship before she turned 21?

[tuffers#1]

The rest of the article.

Suggests to me that at 21 she can choose to be a Bangladeshi national.

What If She Chooses to Be English ?

She can be if she is prepared to stand trial. IMO

So you dont mind her being tried in England then ?

[Admin]

Looking at what happened how can she not be?

What's the charge?

Treason will do or Incitement to murder.

Did she incite someone in the UK to murder someone else?

Think it's already safely established that the current treason act doesn't cover Shamima Begum.

You see how tricky this becomes?

[Dunners]

If anyone's interested, the Times recently did an interesting and thought-provoking series of podcasts on this issue.

www.thetimes.co.uk/podcasts/stories-of-our-times

Scroll down to the five Bring Me Home episodes starting from 23 November 2020.

[Dunners]

My favourite Begum quote

""He [Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it".

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-18/is- ... di-support

Her hopes of returning to the UK have certainly been daeshed.

[Ornchurch]

What's the charge?

Treason will do or Incitement to murder.

Did she incite someone in the UK to murder someone else?

Think it's already safely established that the current treason act doesn't cover Shamima Begum.

You see how tricky this becomes?

She incited ISIS forces to murder British troops.

[Ornchurch]

What If She Chooses to Be English ?

She can be if she is prepared to stand trial. IMO

So you dont mind her being tried in England then ?

Is that not what I said?

[Admin]

Treason will do or Incitement to murder.

Did she incite someone in the UK to murder someone else?

Think it's already safely established that the current treason act doesn't cover Shamima Begum.

You see how tricky this becomes?

She incited ISIS forces to murder British troops.

Forgive my ignorance - can you show me when she did this? If thats correct, I'm surprised our government doesn't bring her back and try her.

[tuffers#1]

She can be if she is prepared to stand trial. IMO

So you dont mind her being tried in England then ?

Is that not what I said?

So you dont mind her being found not guilty & released to freedom
In England , thats good to know .

[Clive Evans]

Bring her back and force her to watch live streaming of Orient matches. That would teach her,

[Ornchurch]

So you dont mind her being tried in England then ?

Is that not what I said?

So you dont mind her being found not guilty & released to freedom
In England , thats good to know .

Maybe upon release she could teach our batsmen how to play spin bowling

[tuffers#1]

Is that not what I said?

So you dont mind her being found not guilty & released to freedom
In England , thats good to know .

Maybe upon release she could teach our batsmen how to play spin bowling

Maybe Englands batsmen should have greanades thrown at them
theyd learn quick enough how to hit something with a bat .

[Currywurst and Chips]

Typical that Labour supporters are chosing to the support the rights of a terrorist over our citizens. It's this kind of sh*t that lost the red wall, how do you think this kind of virtue signalling is gonna play out in Stoke?

Gonna get this thread to 4 pages

[gshaw]

If the media are rolling out the Begum story there must be some bad news they / Govt want to bury going on...

[Dunners]

Typical that Labour supporters are chosing to the support the rights of a terrorist over our citizens. It's this kind of sh*t that lost the red wall, how do you think this kind of virtue signalling is gonna play out in Stoke?

Gonna get this thread to 4 pages

I bet the Labour supporters wouldn't be so quick to leap to her defence if she was Jewish.


Hope this helps mate. TBH, I'm a bit surprised it hadn't reached 5 already.

[tuffers#1]

Typical that Labour supporters are chosing to the support the rights of a terrorist over our citizens. It's this kind of sh*t that lost the red wall, how do you think this kind of virtue signalling is gonna play out in Stoke?

Gonna get this thread to 4 pages

nah you wont

[Currywurst and Chips]

Typical that Labour supporters are chosing to the support the rights of a terrorist over our citizens. It's this kind of sh*t that lost the red wall, how do you think this kind of virtue signalling is gonna play out in Stoke?

Gonna get this thread to 4 pages

nah you wont

If I've got you replying then I fancy my chances

[INAH]

This post hasn't blow up (excuse the pun given the topic) the way I thought it would have, I can't belive I'm saying this but we need CEB back.

[Celtient]

She was 15 years old when she went to join these people. Fifteen. When I was 15 in 1975 I wanted to join the IRA. Logistically it would have been tough for me to make my way from NE Scotland to N Ireland on a paperboy's wage so I decided to wait until I was 17 and working and earning a wage. By the time I was 17, I was older and slightly wiser and, although still sympathetic to the cause, couldn't imagine myself actually killing someone, so gave it a miss. My point is, most of us have silly thoughts when we are young. It doesn't mean that this young woman is necessarily evil, she was maybe just a silly young girl

[Long slender neck]

Post reported.

[Celtient]

Oh No! Haven't been reported since I was school! Brings it all back