Wage Cap

[Still wrong]

There is a case for both wrong, maximise your return on both opportunities would be the way forwards in my opinion.

All the big clubs will Nick your players for next to nothing.
Complete waste of money.

[Thor]

Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

[Still wrong]

Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

Which is the Brentford way.
They have made 100 million since getting rid of their Academy.
we seem to think that we are good producing our own players, we ain’t.
Hardly anyone who has come through the youth system has made it financially worthwhile.

[LittleMate]

Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

We don't nick them though. We pick up their cast off's.

If it was my money running the club then I'd love the idea of an academy but hate its cost because of the lack of benefits over the longer term.

[Thor]

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Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

We don't nick them though. We pick up their cast off's.

If it was my money running the club then I'd love the idea of an academy but hate its cost because of the lack of benefits over the longer term.

The facts as per nigel is that the academy pays for itself over a ten year period and their stated aim is to reduce that period downwards, I think he said to 6 years initially and then down further after that.

So I guess some investment was required which we've sent in coaches in the academy etc. Now we need to see players come through which get sold for Big money.

[Still wrong]

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Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

We don't nick them though. We pick up their cast off's.

If it was my money running the club then I'd love the idea of an academy but hate its cost because of the lack of benefits over the longer term.

The facts as per nigel is that the academy pays for itself over a ten year period and their stated aim is to reduce that period downwards, I think he said to 6 years initially and then down further after that.

So I guess some investment was required which we've sent in coaches in the academy etc. Now we need to see players come through which get sold for Big money.

It’s not going to happen.
Any promising kid will be taken off our hands for peanuts.
It’s the way it is set up now.

[Still wrong]

[Still wrong]

We signed Moses Adubajo after being rejected by Millwall as a 16 year old.
4 years later we got over 1 million.

[Thor]

I don’t doubt Brentford’s model and I’ve said on here previously it might be something we could copy. However, don’t they owe the owner £100m if true how will that be paid back considering all the talent they’ve sold this past few years.

[Still wrong]

I don’t doubt Brentford’s model and I’ve said on here previously it might be something we could copy. However, don’t they owe the owner £100m if true how will that be paid back considering all the talent they’ve sold this past few years.

Well they sold Griffin Park and I don’t believe they own their new ground.
They made 25 million profit on Watkins and seem to make big profits on others.
Their recruitment is spot on.
I don’t think they have signed a dud.
Made a mug out of us by signing Moses and making 2.5 million profit in less than a year.
I think the owner is looking at the Premiership, which is the only way to get a return.

[LittleMate]

They made £15m+ on Maupay; they will make another £15m+ on Benrahma and have plenty of others getting good reviews meaning even if they don't make the prem this or next season then it will certainly not see any debt increase.

[LittleMate]

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Then we nick their best youth players for nothing who won't make Premier league football at that time. Swings and roundabouts.

We don't nick them though. We pick up their cast off's.

If it was my money running the club then I'd love the idea of an academy but hate its cost because of the lack of benefits over the longer term.

The facts as per nigel is that the academy pays for itself over a ten year period and their stated aim is to reduce that period downwards, I think he said to 6 years initially and then down further after that.

So I guess some investment was required which we've sent in coaches in the academy etc. Now we need to see players come through which get sold for Big money.

You can only do that if you keep them - and to do that you need to keep them under the radar. Alzate went for the sort of money considered peanuts, Dalby too. Before that Obafemi went to Southampton for small change in comparison to running a youth system. All the bright players get picked off unfortunately - in part because kids at Orient aspire to play for Leeds, Brighton or Southampton. If the system were fairer towards smaller clubs then the investment would be worth it, but in order to get bailout support they have had to sell a bit more of our clubs soul. I'd give our youth network another 1.5 seasons before changing the way we operate - if it has not borne any fruit by then.

[Tent Keague]

There's a lot more to a football club than its first XI.

If having a players wage cap of sorts (of course it can be avoided somehow) means that as a club we are able to grow other aspects of the club then I'm all for it.

For example if it means the owners could purchase the club back off of Barry over time and placed into the hands of the club then I'd say we'd be in a better position than Brentford* who don't own their ground and owe their owners.

Soccer camps, ground repairs, better training facilities, maybe providing players with further education, purchasing property where players could live. Who knows what else could be funded?

Some might seem a bit pie in the sky but there's more chance of it happening when we aren't having to overcompensate players just because of an artificial market.

*That's not to say that the Brentford model doesn't work. I had the right arse ache of them after the 13/14 season but I applaud them for what they've done since and I wanted them to get promoted last season. This season too.

[Still wrong]

There's a lot more to a football club than its first XI.

If having a players wage cap of sorts (of course it can be avoided somehow) means that as a club we are able to grow other aspects of the club then I'm all for it.

For example if it means the owners could purchase the club back off of Barry over time and placed into the hands of the club then I'd say we'd be in a better position than Brentford* who don't own their ground and owe their owners.

Soccer camps, ground repairs, better training facilities, maybe providing players with further education, purchasing property where players could live. Who knows what else could be funded?

Some might seem a bit pie in the sky but there's more chance of it happening when we aren't having to overcompensate players just because of an artificial market.

*That's not to say that the Brentford model doesn't work. I had the right arse ache of them after the 13/14 season but I applaud them for what they've done since and I wanted them to get promoted last season. This season too.

I think you mean the ground.
No point in paying millions for the ground when we have got secure tenancy for 20 years.
I see there are no takers for the stand, mind you at 6.5 m I am not surprised.

[Still wrong]

We don't nick them though. We pick up their cast off's.

If it was my money running the club then I'd love the idea of an academy but hate its cost because of the lack of benefits over the longer term.

The facts as per nigel is that the academy pays for itself over a ten year period and their stated aim is to reduce that period downwards, I think he said to 6 years initially and then down further after that.

So I guess some investment was required which we've sent in coaches in the academy etc. Now we need to see players come through which get sold for Big money.

You can only do that if you keep them - and to do that you need to keep them under the radar. Alzate went for the sort of money considered peanuts, Dalby too. Before that Obafemi went to Southampton for small change in comparison to running a youth system. All the bright players get picked off unfortunately - in part because kids at Orient aspire to play for Leeds, Brighton or Southampton. If the system were fairer towards smaller clubs then the investment would be worth it, but in order to get bailout support they have had to sell a bit more of our clubs soul. I'd give our youth network another 1.5 seasons before changing the way we operate - if it has not borne any fruit by then.

I wouldn’t even wait that long.
It is a complete waste of money.
What is the point of signing kids and investing in them for the big clubs to nick them off you for peanuts. Doesn’t make any sense.

[tuffers#1]

They made £15m+ on Maupay; they will make another £15m+ on Benrahma and have plenty of others getting good reviews meaning even if they don't make the prem this or next season then it will certainly not see any debt increase.

It Has taken the current owner 14 years to get to the point they are at now .

Lets look at us after 5 years being a league club again .
Especially with all clubs losing money hand over fist in
The curent situation.

[Still wrong]

They made £15m+ on Maupay; they will make another £15m+ on Benrahma and have plenty of others getting good reviews meaning even if they don't make the prem this or next season then it will certainly not see any debt increase.

It Has taken the current owner 14 years to get to the point they are at now .

Lets look at us after 5 years being a league club again .
Especially with all clubs losing money hand over fist in
The curent situation.

He got rid of the Academy quite early.
Realised it was a waste of money.

[tuffers#1]

They made £15m+ on Maupay; they will make another £15m+ on Benrahma and have plenty of others getting good reviews meaning even if they don't make the prem this or next season then it will certainly not see any debt increase.

It Has taken the current owner 14 years to get to the point they are at now .

Lets look at us after 5 years being a league club again .
Especially with all clubs losing money hand over fist in
The curent situation.

He got rid of the Academy quite early.
Realised it was a waste of money.

May 2016 they scrapped the academy
& he got involved in 2006
So 5 years as i said would be half the time of him getting
Rid of the academy . So we are ahead of the brentford curve theoretically

[Still wrong]

It Has taken the current owner 14 years to get to the point they are at now .

Lets look at us after 5 years being a league club again .
Especially with all clubs losing money hand over fist in
The curent situation.

He got rid of the Academy quite early.
Realised it was a waste of money.

May 2016 they scrapped the academy
& he got involved in 2006
So 5 years as i said would be half the time of him getting
Rid of the academy . So we are ahead of the brentford curve theoretically

This is the evidence why it’s a waste of money.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... e-outcasts

[tuffers#1]

He got rid of the Academy quite early.
Realised it was a waste of money.

May 2016 they scrapped the academy
& he got involved in 2006
So 5 years as i said would be half the time of him getting
Rid of the academy . So we are ahead of the brentford curve theoretically

This is the evidence why it’s a waste of money.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... e-outcasts

Yes but that was before budgets & isnt really relevant anymore .

Also Brexit means young foreign players will not find it easy to a way into the uk
As they wont meet new rules of appearances or international .

Depending how long the budgeting lasts could see things become very different
For everybody outside of the EPL

[Still wrong]

May 2016 they scrapped the academy
& he got involved in 2006
So 5 years as i said would be half the time of him getting
Rid of the academy . So we are ahead of the brentford curve theoretically

This is the evidence why it’s a waste of money.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... e-outcasts

Yes but that was before budgets & isnt really relevant anymore .

Also Brexit means young foreign players will not find it easy to a way into the uk
As they wont meet new rules of appearances or international .

Depending how long the budgeting lasts could see things become very different
For everybody outside of the EPL

It won’t stop clubs nicking our best players for peanuts.
To me it’s a nonsense continuing with it.
It’s not as if we have bought anybody through in the last 10 years that has got in big money.

[tuffers#1]

This is the evidence why it’s a waste of money.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... e-outcasts

Yes but that was before budgets & isnt really relevant anymore .

Also Brexit means young foreign players will not find it easy to a way into the uk
As they wont meet new rules of appearances or international .

Depending how long the budgeting lasts could see things become very different
For everybody outside of the EPL

It won’t stop clubs nicking our best players for peanuts.
To me it’s a nonsense continuing with it.
It’s not as if we have bought anybody through in the last 10 years that has got in big money.

Did you not watch the last video that involved nigel kent danny & martin .
They discussed how massive the academy system will become as players
Under 21 are not part of your budget & you get savings to your budget for home growns
The brexit part was very interesting If we tried to sign Ouss Cisse we wouldnt get him
If we tried to sign Matt Baudry now we wouldnt get him , if we tried to sign a romain vincelot
A wim wilchearts etc . No David Mooney No John Tehoue ,
but we maybe would get an aged Amara Simba though.

[Still wrong]

Yes but that was before budgets & isnt really relevant anymore .

Also Brexit means young foreign players will not find it easy to a way into the uk
As they wont meet new rules of appearances or international .

Depending how long the budgeting lasts could see things become very different
For everybody outside of the EPL

It won’t stop clubs nicking our best players for peanuts.
To me it’s a nonsense continuing with it.
It’s not as if we have bought anybody through in the last 10 years that has got in big money.

Did you not watch the last video that involved nigel kent danny & martin .
They discussed how massive the academy system will become as players
Under 21 are not part of your budget & you get savings to your budget for home growns
The brexit part was very interesting If we tried to sign Ouss Cisse we wouldnt get him
If we tried to sign Matt Baudry now we wouldnt get him , if we tried to sign a romain vincelot
A wim wilchearts etc . No David Mooney No John Tehoue ,
but we maybe would get an aged Amara Simba though.

Not too sure that we won’t be able to sign players from Europe.

[Still wrong]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 64690.html

[tuffers#1]

It won’t stop clubs nicking our best players for peanuts.
To me it’s a nonsense continuing with it.
It’s not as if we have bought anybody through in the last 10 years that has got in big money.

Did you not watch the last video that involved nigel kent danny & martin .
They discussed how massive the academy system will become as players
Under 21 are not part of your budget & you get savings to your budget for home growns
The brexit part was very interesting If we tried to sign Ouss Cisse we wouldnt get him
If we tried to sign Matt Baudry now we wouldnt get him , if we tried to sign a romain vincelot
A wim wilchearts etc . No David Mooney No John Tehoue ,
but we maybe would get an aged Amara Simba though.

Not too sure that we won’t be able to sign players from Europe.

Be sure

EU restrictions
Why is Johhny Foreigner taking the place of a uk worker .

Wasnt that 1 part of brexit
Coming over here taking our jobs ?


Unless they have met critera of representing there country .
So w might get some poor mans Georgi Kinkladze
Who himself was a poor mans hagi/stoichkov/Figo/Zidane