What heights could we reach

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Having come form a period when watching Orient in the Championship or higher,

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[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Having come form a period when watching Orient in the Championship or higher,

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But true. Some people ant handle the truth. But then I come to expect such garbage from you, it’s all your tiny mind is capable of, so I tend to ignore it as in anyway serious. I just laugh at you, you poor sad person.

[RientO]

We have to get used to being a L1 level club.

Given Orient are currently in League 2, we should get used to that first :-)

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Having come form a period when watching Orient in the Championship or higher,

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But true. Some people ant handle the truth. But then I come to expect such garbage from you, it’s all your tiny mind is capable of, so I tend to ignore it as in anyway serious. I just laugh at you, you poor sad person.

No, it's not true. Championship/Premiership football is not the norm. Championship/L1 was the norm. I think you might have missed that link I put up for you so I'll c & p it for you

1946–47 Div 3S
1947–48 Div 3S
1948–49 Div 3S
1949–50 Div 3S
1950–51 Div 3S
1951–52 Div 3S
1952–53 Div 3S
1953–54 Div 3S
1954–55 Div 3S
1955–56 Div 3S
1956–57 Div 2
1957–58 Div 2
1958–59 Div 2
1959–60 Div 2
1960–61 Div 2
1961–62 Div 2
1962–63 Div 1
1963–64 Div 2
1964–65 Div 2
1965–66 Div 2
1966–67 Div 3
1967–68 Div 3
1968–69 Div 3
1969–70 Div 3
1970–71 Div 2
1971–72 Div 2
1972–73 Div 2
1973–74 Div 2
1974–75 Div 2
1975–76 Div 2
1976–77 Div 2
1977–78 Div 2
1978–79 Div 2
1979–80 Div 2
1980–81 Div 2
1981–82 Div 2
1982–83 Div 3
1983–84 Div 3
1984–85 Div 3

[Scuba Diver]

Although we spent the whole of the 70's in the 'championship'; we were punching above our weight throughout.
Numerous attendances of under 3,000 in our final season (81/82), confirm this.

Granted it's a nice notion that we somehow 'belong' there, and I wish we were, but a club only really 'belongs' where it is in that moment.

[Kitch’s Magic Toes]

I think the championship is realistic within the next 5 years with the right support afforded to the manager. I still believe that is where the O’s belong and where it should be.

Unlike the posters on here to be living in the past... The days when a club like Orient could establish itself in the second tier are long gone. We missed the gravy train and we’re hamstrung by the abomination of a housing estate Hearn saddled us with. We don’t have a remotely level playing field to compete on and anyone who thinks that we can do so is deluding themselves with misty-eyed nostalgia.

KMT

It’s hugely insulting to say people live in the past. Our history is a major factor for the club, because we have one and it should be celebrated. But that is not living in the past. I doubt any of us have delusions of playing in the Prem. I have repeatedly voiced my opinion that L1 is our level these days. Respect our past and accept our future. But that sort of thought process is beyond some thickos sadly.

Ambition is not living in the past but hoping for a better future.

I fully respect our past - I even saw some of it. But that’s what it is. Saying that the ‘Championship is our natural level’ or words to that effect isn’t respecting the past, it’s living in it (or, at least, wilfully ignoring the last 35 years).

It’s my dearest footballing wish to one day see us back in the second tier - and it’s achievable, as plenty of smaller clubs have shown - but without wholesale change to the investment and infrastructure of the club, it will never be sustainable.

[Thor]

Hold on a min. As we grow as a club with success on both the field and off it it is right to look up and not down. The club looks like it’s being set up to be sustainable in the future, that’s a massive point and statement from the board. Today they have ruled out moving grounds, but if the championship was achievable then I’d wager they have a plan in place as to how that would be financed. Moving grounds might be part of that plan. The owner at Chalrton wants £70m plus they have debts of circa the same amount. If the owners play it right there is no reason why they won’t have an asset in the same sort of ball park.

I do believe that Nigel wants championship football and it may take a while to get there, but anything is life is achievable if you want it enough.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Unlike the posters on here to be living in the past... The days when a club like Orient could establish itself in the second tier are long gone. We missed the gravy train and we’re hamstrung by the abomination of a housing estate Hearn saddled us with. We don’t have a remotely level playing field to compete on and anyone who thinks that we can do so is deluding themselves with misty-eyed nostalgia.

KMT

It’s hugely insulting to say people live in the past. Our history is a major factor for the club, because we have one and it should be celebrated. But that is not living in the past. I doubt any of us have delusions of playing in the Prem. I have repeatedly voiced my opinion that L1 is our level these days. Respect our past and accept our future. But that sort of thought process is beyond some thickos sadly.

Ambition is not living in the past but hoping for a better future.

I fully respect our past - I even saw some of it. But that’s what it is. Saying that the ‘Championship is our natural level’ or words to that effect isn’t respecting the past, it’s living in it (or, at least, wilfully ignoring the last 35 years).

It’s my dearest footballing wish to one day see us back in the second tier - and it’s achievable, as plenty of smaller clubs have shown - but without wholesale change to the investment and infrastructure of the club, it will never be sustainable.

I’ll repeat for the hard of thinking and for the umpteenth time, it’s unlikely we could sustain Teir 2 football without massive investment so our level now is probably tier 3/ L1

That doesn’t say it’s impossible or a not target for the current management. I’m not aware of their long term plans. That my friend is not living in the past but accepting our likely future. Which is a bloody sight better than it was two years ago.

But it’s hard for those of us who have experienced better times to accept the current situation, but we do. I do. Probably a little harder for us than those who have only ever know lower league football.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

I think we're all in agreement on that - based on our fanbase and capacity, we should be a middling L1 side.

We would need to increase both to be self sufficient at a higher level.

Which of course is a long way away from our heady days of all those seasons of top flight football.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

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But true. Some people ant handle the truth. But then I come to expect such garbage from you, it’s all your tiny mind is capable of, so I tend to ignore it as in anyway serious. I just laugh at you, you poor sad person.

No, it's not true. Championship/Premiership football is not the norm. Championship/L1 was the norm. I think you might have missed that link I put up for you so I'll c & p it for you

1946–47 Div 3S
1947–48 Div 3S
1948–49 Div 3S
1949–50 Div 3S
1950–51 Div 3S
1951–52 Div 3S
1952–53 Div 3S
1953–54 Div 3S
1954–55 Div 3S
1955–56 Div 3S
1956–57 Div 2
1957–58 Div 2
1958–59 Div 2
1959–60 Div 2
1960–61 Div 2
1961–62 Div 2
1962–63 Div 1
1963–64 Div 2
1964–65 Div 2
1965–66 Div 2
1966–67 Div 3
1967–68 Div 3
1968–69 Div 3
1969–70 Div 3
1970–71 Div 2
1971–72 Div 2
1972–73 Div 2
1973–74 Div 2
1974–75 Div 2
1975–76 Div 2
1976–77 Div 2
1977–78 Div 2
1978–79 Div 2
1979–80 Div 2
1980–81 Div 2
1981–82 Div 2
1982–83 Div 3
1983–84 Div 3
1984–85 Div 3

So let’s say again. I started coming to Brisbane road towards the beginning of that list. For 22 of the first 25 years of my coming to Brisbane Road I enjoyed Championship level football. For me, at that time, Championship football was the norm. Not complicated really. Of course since then the decline set in as I know but that don’t detract from the fact that for 25 years Championship football was the norm.

It was the norm during THAT 25 year period. Are you too dull to understand that point or are you just being stupid. If we were talking about a couple of years that would be differed, but 25.

It was also a fact that Leyton Orient held the record, at that time, for being the club with the longest unbroken run in the championship 12 consecutive seasons. If that’s not the norm at that time for Orient then what does it say for many others.

So stop being stupid

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Although we spent the whole of the 70's in the 'championship'; we were punching above our weight throughout.
Numerous attendances of under 3,000 in our final season (81/82), confirm this.

Granted it's a nice notion that we somehow 'belong' there, and I wish we were, but a club only really 'belongs' where it is in that moment.

For nearly 25 years bar a few seasons we did belong there. We were there. That is a fact no matter how you spin it.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

But true. Some people ant handle the truth. But then I come to expect such garbage from you, it’s all your tiny mind is capable of, so I tend to ignore it as in anyway serious. I just laugh at you, you poor sad person.

No, it's not true. Championship/Premiership football is not the norm. Championship/L1 was the norm. I think you might have missed that link I put up for you so I'll c & p it for you

1946–47 Div 3S
1947–48 Div 3S
1948–49 Div 3S
1949–50 Div 3S
1950–51 Div 3S
1951–52 Div 3S
1952–53 Div 3S
1953–54 Div 3S
1954–55 Div 3S
1955–56 Div 3S
1956–57 Div 2
1957–58 Div 2
1958–59 Div 2
1959–60 Div 2
1960–61 Div 2
1961–62 Div 2
1962–63 Div 1
1963–64 Div 2
1964–65 Div 2
1965–66 Div 2
1966–67 Div 3
1967–68 Div 3
1968–69 Div 3
1969–70 Div 3
1970–71 Div 2
1971–72 Div 2
1972–73 Div 2
1973–74 Div 2
1974–75 Div 2
1975–76 Div 2
1976–77 Div 2
1977–78 Div 2
1978–79 Div 2
1979–80 Div 2
1980–81 Div 2
1981–82 Div 2
1982–83 Div 3
1983–84 Div 3
1984–85 Div 3

So let’s say again. I started coming to Brisbane road towards the beginning of that list. For 22 of the first 25 years of my coming to Brisbane Road I enjoyed Championship level football. For me, at that time, Championship football was the norm. Not complicated really. Of course since then the decline set in as I know but that don’t detract from the fact that for 25 years Championship football was the norm.

It was the norm during THAT 25 year period. Are you too dull to understand that point or are you just being stupid. If we were talking about a couple of years that would be differed, but 25.

It was also a fact that Leyton Orient held the record, at that time, for being the club with the longest unbroken run in the championship 12 consecutive seasons. If that’s not the norm at that time for Orient then what does it say for many others.

So stop being stupid

If you'd said Championship level was the norm, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Of course that was the norm.

But that's not what you said. You idiotically stated that Championship/Prem was the norm. Premiership football has never been the norm. Only a complete muppet would think it was.

[one o in huntingdon]

So out of 72 years we were in div 2 for 21 of them, more accurate to say we were a div 3 or 4 club for over fifty years.

[RientO]

So out of 72 years we were in div 2 for 21 of them, more accurate to say we were a div 3 or 4 club for over fifty years.

Orient (including Clapton Orient) were in Division 2 (Tier 2) for over 40 seasons
1905 - 1929 (20 seasons), 1956- 1962 (6), 1963 - 1966 (3), 1970-1982 (12).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_L ... C._seasons

So 41 out of 101 seasons.

[one o in huntingdon]

So out of 72 years we were in div 2 for 21 of them, more accurate to say we were a div 3 or 4 club for over fifty years.

Orient (including Clapton Orient) were in Division 2 (Tier 2) for over 40 seasons
1905 - 1929 (20 seasons), 1956- 1962 (6), 1963 - 1966 (3), 1970-1982 (12).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_L ... C._seasons

My calculation was based on the list shown above since 1946/47

[eppinggas]

There is a pretty close correlation between average league position and average attendances. And that's where Clubs tend to settle.
Looking at the "50 year table" - Orient rank 63rd. (Bristol Rovers 55th).
Looking at the average attendances over the last 100 years - Orient rank 59th (8,080). Bristol Rovers a 52nd (9,686).
I'd expect Orient to get back to their "natural position" in the next 1-3 years. Without some serious investment it is getting increasingly difficult for an 'Orient' or a 'Bristol Rovers' to bridge that gap to the Championship.
See you in Div 1 soon. Hopefully we won't pass you on the way down.

[RientO]

There is a pretty close correlation between average league position and average attendances. And that's where Clubs tend to settle.
Looking at the "50 year table" - Orient rank 63rd. (Bristol Rovers 55th).
Looking at the average attendances over the last 100 years - Orient rank 59th (8,080). Bristol Rovers a 52nd (9,686).
I'd expect Orient to get back to their "natural position" in the next 1-3 years. Without some serious investment it is getting increasingly difficult for an 'Orient' or a 'Bristol Rovers' to bridge that gap to the Championship.
See you in Div 1 soon. Hopefully we won't pass you on the way down.

What is your source?

I was looking at this http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engprof-alltime.html
and saw Orient are 48th in all time table though probably dropped a couple of places due to being out of the league. Also Orient have over 100 seasons so the record isn't that impressive. Did note there was a small club in east London lurking in 64th place.

[OyinbO]

The football league only became a four-tiered affair in 1958. Using our historical record from prior to this date in support of any argument about our "natural level" should recognise that there were fewer divisions to be in. With the exception of two spells (mid-50s to mid 60s, and the 1970s) we've been bumping around the nether regions of the league... it's just that it's got bigger as the years have gone on.

[RientO]

The football league only became a four-tiered affair in 1958. Using our historical record from prior to this date in support of any argument about our "natural level" should recognise that there were fewer divisions to be in. With the exception of two spells (mid-50s to mid 60s, and the 1970s) we've been bumping around the nether regions of the league... it's just that it's got bigger as the years have gone on.

OK, so Orient have always been at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel just got bigger :-)

[CreamofSumYungGai]

The football league only became a four-tiered affair in 1958. Using our historical record from prior to this date in support of any argument about our "natural level" should recognise that there were fewer divisions to be in. With the exception of two spells (mid-50s to mid 60s, and the 1970s) we've been bumping around the nether regions of the league... it's just that it's got bigger as the years have gone on.

OK, so Orient have always been at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel just got bigger :-)

Other than when dohy started watching us and we were a Premiership side

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

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The football league only became a four-tiered affair in 1958. Using our historical record from prior to this date in support of any argument about our "natural level" should recognise that there were fewer divisions to be in. With the exception of two spells (mid-50s to mid 60s, and the 1970s) we've been bumping around the nether regions of the league... it's just that it's got bigger as the years have gone on.

OK, so Orient have always been at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel just got bigger :-)

Other than when dohy started watching us and we were a Premiership side

We were for a season. Plus 22 seasons in tier 2. Not too bad was it.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

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OK, so Orient have always been at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel just got bigger :-)

Other than when dohy started watching us and we were a Premiership side

We were for a season. Plus 22 seasons in tier 2. Not too bad was it. Back then 92 league clubs like now just called div 1 2 3 and 4.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

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OK, so Orient have always been at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel just got bigger :-)

Other than when dohy started watching us and we were a Premiership side

We were for a season. Plus 22 seasons in tier 2. Not too bad was it.

It was just the norm mate, playing all that top flight football.

[eppinggas]

There is a pretty close correlation between average league position and average attendances. And that's where Clubs tend to settle.
Looking at the "50 year table" - Orient rank 63rd. (Bristol Rovers 55th).
Looking at the average attendances over the last 100 years - Orient rank 59th (8,080). Bristol Rovers a 52nd (9,686).
I'd expect Orient to get back to their "natural position" in the next 1-3 years. Without some serious investment it is getting increasingly difficult for an 'Orient' or a 'Bristol Rovers' to bridge that gap to the Championship.
See you in Div 1 soon. Hopefully we won't pass you on the way down.

What is your source?

I was looking at this http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engprof-alltime.html
and saw Orient are 48th in all time table though probably dropped a couple of places due to being out of the league. Also Orient have over 100 seasons so the record isn't that impressive. Did note there was a small club in east London lurking in 64th place.

I just checked my source and it's a year out of date... https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... nd-arsenal.
There are loads of ways of producing "ultimate league tables", but they generally come out the same. The one you reference goes back to 1888, and the further you go back in time, the more anomalies there are. A lot of Clubs League history only starts in 1920-21. Whichever table you look at - Bristol Rovers are consistently mid-tier 3. We excel in mediocrity.
The new 50 year table has Orient 66th (and Rovers 57th)
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... s-revealed

[CreamofSumYungGai]

I’m surprised we’re that low down the rankings after all those years when Premiership football was the norm.