Nigel Travis is the Problem......💩

[The Big Shot]

I really hope we win now tomorrow, so that we can really rub it in to ComeOnYouOs, otherwise when we lose he'll be rubbing it in all our faces and celebrating Southends victory knowing that he's been proven right again, which you have to accept.

[ComeOnYouOs]

I really hope we win now tomorrow, so that we can really rub it in to ComeOnYouOs, otherwise when we lose he'll be rubbing it in all our faces and celebrating Southends victory knowing that he's been proven right again, which you have to accept.

Idiot....i hope we win tomorrow, as I hope we win every game
To lose to Southend is a horrible prospect.
On a board of several idiots, you really are number one

[The Big Shot]

I really hope we win now tomorrow, so that we can really rub it in to ComeOnYouOs, otherwise when we lose he'll be rubbing it in all our faces and celebrating Southends victory knowing that he's been proven right again, which you have to accept.

Idiot....i hope we win tomorrow, as I hope we win every game
To lose to Southend is a horrible prospect.
On a board of several idiots, you really are number one

When you read my posts, its probably like looking in the mirror for you then if thats the way you see it

[soloman]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

I knew I was missing a tool from my tool box !

[soloman]

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

Well said O superman ,spot on.
You said..."For this club to progress we need a clear out from top to bottom."

So now you are downgrading that to just the DOF and Head Coach?
Who is this mysterious Old Boys Network? it's obviously not Ling and Embleton as you have said it must go TOO...ie in addition to them.
So who is it, Matt Porter, Lindsey, Ada the kit man???

[gshaw]

It's a very fine line this one as there's no doubt T&T are the reason we still have an Orient and in the current climate especially even more so. Along with Danny Macklin I don't think you'll get a better team running the business side.

That said there is a bit of a wake-up call to be had as the footballing side does give that impression of being all a bit too cosy from the DoF through to Embleton and the coaching setup. It's just all a bit too "nice" rather than being focused on success first. We'll see definitively when player contracts end as they surely can't keep the rest of the ageing NL squad players around as coaches again.

Personally never expected anything more than mid-table mediocrity this season so as long as we stop the rot and pick up enough points to not look at the relegation battle the big opportunity is in the squad rebuild from January onwards. That's when we'll see which direction the club is aiming at.

This.

We are very lucky to have T&T, and I understand the reasoning for a DoF when they first took over. However, Ling has built himself a little fiefdom of yes men who owe him, including RE, and I'm not sure any of them are ready for a step up to the next level. The Fletcher experiment has only reinforced his position as an untouchable, but I think progress (if any) on the football side will be slow and ponderous whilst ML is in charge.

The rationale behind Fletcher didn't make any sense and it feeds into the present time too. We had our biggest success in 25+ years having hired a proven winner, then the next time we needed to hire went for the polar opposite to that philosophy.

[Beradogs]

In my 40 years of supporting the club the problem has always been we are not horrible enough. We have never had managers that other teams hate. Very few players that other teams hate playing against. Happy clappy fans who only get upset if their bovril is too hot. Brisbane road has rarely been a place the oppo are scared about coming to. Travis is a nice fella. Embleton is smiley smurf. Our centre halves you could take home and meet the mother. It’s all very friendly and cozy. Any vacant positions go to ex players or Embletons extended family. Thing is, there is nothing to suggest this is about to change any time soon. It’s getting worse. I believe there are people within Leyton Orient who if offered the choice between staying as a “community” club in the bottom division or being hated by all and sundry in the championship would choose the former. I remember boarders on here years ago saying they would never want an owner like the gambler bloke at Brentford. Well look what he has done for them. Brentford and ourselves are similar sized clubs.I just want the club to be a bit more horrible and aggressive. I want opposition fans to say we are a nasty bunch. Ruthless. Efficient. Travis can get aggressive, I have seen him do it when he is threatening fans who may want to boo the knee.

[PoliticOs]

Oh, you're bloody going to set gshaw off on that now Bera!

You're wrong, too. You're just using recency bias to think we're alone in this. You make it sound like we've always had shrinking violets running the show, and that just isn't true.

[Still wrong]

In my 40 years of supporting the club the problem has always been we are not horrible enough. We have never had managers that other teams hate. Very few players that other teams hate playing against. Happy clappy fans who only get upset if their bovril is too hot. Brisbane road has rarely been a place the oppo are scared about coming to. Travis is a nice fella. Embleton is smiley smurf. Our centre halves you could take home and meet the mother. It’s all very friendly and cozy. Any vacant positions go to ex players or Embletons extended family. Thing is, there is nothing to suggest this is about to change any time soon. It’s getting worse. I believe there are people within Leyton Orient who if offered the choice between staying as a “community” club in the bottom division or being hated by all and sundry in the championship would choose the former. I remember boarders on here years ago saying they would never want an owner like the gambler bloke at Brentford. Well look what he has done for them. Brentford and ourselves are similar sized clubs.I just want the club to be a bit more horrible and aggressive. I want opposition fans to say we are a nasty bunch. Ruthless. Efficient. Travis can get aggressive, I have seen him do it when he is threatening fans who may want to boo the knee.

I think you will find the bloke at Brentford is far more wealthier than our two blokes put together.
So far he has put in over 100 m.
And they owned the freehold at Griffin Park.
https://atthematch.com/article/a-profil ... hew-benham

[Long slender neck]

Seems to be the moaners just want everything to be simple- players in a formation they understand, a club structure they understand, players only allowed to pass forwards and a shouty old manager and none of this tactics stuff.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

Yeah, I've said this before about his need for anger management therapy as I really fear for the sanity and health of whoever he lives with. But at least better for him to be lashing out on here instead of lashing out at his partner in real life.

Now he’s a wife beater?

You absolute tool.

Where was that said? I said it's better that he's lashing out on here than at his partner in real life.

Which you obviously already knew but were deliberately being a tool again.

[Still wrong]

In my 40 years of supporting the club the problem has always been we are not horrible enough. We have never had managers that other teams hate. Very few players that other teams hate playing against. Happy clappy fans who only get upset if their bovril is too hot. Brisbane road has rarely been a place the oppo are scared about coming to. Travis is a nice fella. Embleton is smiley smurf. Our centre halves you could take home and meet the mother. It’s all very friendly and cozy. Any vacant positions go to ex players or Embletons extended family. Thing is, there is nothing to suggest this is about to change any time soon. It’s getting worse. I believe there are people within Leyton Orient who if offered the choice between staying as a “community” club in the bottom division or being hated by all and sundry in the championship would choose the former. I remember boarders on here years ago saying they would never want an owner like the gambler bloke at Brentford. Well look what he has done for them. Brentford and ourselves are similar sized clubs.I just want the club to be a bit more horrible and aggressive. I want opposition fans to say we are a nasty bunch. Ruthless. Efficient. Travis can get aggressive, I have seen him do it when he is threatening fans who may want to boo the knee.

Interesting post

It's like Leeds they had Don Revie - they were a team that at one point was unbeatable they were nasty and very clinical

I don't want Lofc going as extreme as that

But I want a few hackers like that big head on sky that played at brentford
Terry hurlock was also good at fouling - from memory Leytonstone then brentford

Decades before that I saw Fitzpatrick of man united playing at Brisbane road - he knew how to get stuck in

Over the decades all teams that win more than they lose have a couple of players at the min that really get the passion flying in a positive winning way for their team

That why I liked Sitton he was a gritty player with ability - I know he gone a bit strange now but if he was in the club he get the team defensively sorted out - he just needs to be controlled verbally when asked any question - but limit him to coaching a defence he got the passion and the proven playing and technical coaching ability - such a waste driving a cab for the guy

Hurlock went to our school.
He was a hard b————d then.
Started off at West Ham.

[Still wrong]

In my 40 years of supporting the club the problem has always been we are not horrible enough. We have never had managers that other teams hate. Very few players that other teams hate playing against. Happy clappy fans who only get upset if their bovril is too hot. Brisbane road has rarely been a place the oppo are scared about coming to. Travis is a nice fella. Embleton is smiley smurf. Our centre halves you could take home and meet the mother. It’s all very friendly and cozy. Any vacant positions go to ex players or Embletons extended family. Thing is, there is nothing to suggest this is about to change any time soon. It’s getting worse. I believe there are people within Leyton Orient who if offered the choice between staying as a “community” club in the bottom division or being hated by all and sundry in the championship would choose the former. I remember boarders on here years ago saying they would never want an owner like the gambler bloke at Brentford. Well look what he has done for them. Brentford and ourselves are similar sized clubs.I just want the club to be a bit more horrible and aggressive. I want opposition fans to say we are a nasty bunch. Ruthless. Efficient. Travis can get aggressive, I have seen him do it when he is threatening fans who may want to boo the knee.

Interesting post

It's like Leeds they had Don Revie - they were a team that at one point was unbeatable they were nasty and very clinical

I don't want Lofc going as extreme as that

But I want a few hackers like that big head on sky that played at brentford
Terry hurlock was also good at fouling - from memory Leytonstone then brentford

Decades before that I saw Fitzpatrick of man united playing at Brisbane road - he knew how to get stuck in

Over the decades all teams that win more than they lose have a couple of players at the min that really get the passion flying in a positive winning way for their team

That why I liked Sitton he was a gritty player with ability - I know he gone a bit strange now but if he was in the club he get the team defensively sorted out - he just needs to be controlled verbally when asked any question - but limit him to coaching a defence he got the passion and the proven playing and technical coaching ability - such a waste driving a cab for the guy

Not a bad shout for Sitton.
Did you know John Fitzpatrick died last week?

[OyinbO]

Nigel Travis is not the problem - he is the solution. But he just doesn't realise it yet.

[PoundhillO]

Nigel Travis is not the problem - he is the solution. But he just doesn't realise it yet.

He just needs to get his head around the fact that Ling Snr served his purpose ages ago and is no longer needed.
The money saved on not having a DOF and getting rid of Embleton and all the assistant hangers on will help us get the experienced, proven Manager without any pre conditions as should have been done in the first place.

[ComeOnYouOs]

Nigel Travis is not the problem - he is the solution. But he just doesn't realise it yet.

He just needs to get his head around the fact that Ling Snr served his purpose ages ago and is no longer needed.
The money saved on not having a DOF and getting rid of Embleton and all the assistant hangers on will help us get the experienced, proven Manager without any pre conditions as should have been done in the first place.

This is true, but Travis doesn't want another manager, he wants the Orient old boys network to carry on.
Fletcher tried to shake things up, and change things around, and look what happened to him?

[PoundhillO]

Nigel Travis is not the problem - he is the solution. But he just doesn't realise it yet.

He just needs to get his head around the fact that Ling Snr served his purpose ages ago and is no longer needed.
The money saved on not having a DOF and getting rid of Embleton and all the assistant hangers on will help us get the experienced, proven Manager without any pre conditions as should have been done in the first place.

This is true, but Travis doesn't want another manager, he wants the Orient old boys network to carry on.
Fletcher tried to shake things up, and change things around, and look what happened to him?

Then he will lose financial support in streaming for the rest of this season and season ticket sales for next season and respect from a section of loyal fans, including me of nearly 65 years.
He must recognise that you cannot polish a t*rd.

[BiggsyMalone]

He isn’t the problem but him and Kent’s persistence in letting Ling do what he wants because they don’t want to be seen as being involved in footballing decisions like Bechetti was, is going to be harmful. They’re not stupid and if the wrong decisions keep being made, someone else will be making them in the future. I just hope that happens before it goes too far.

Whtever you want to say about Ling and Embleton, giving someone a 12 month rolling contract doesn’t show a lot of long term thinking and confidence. Leyton Orient aren’t a club to give your mate work experience for a couple of years. Either back Ross properly so he has some job security or get someone else in.

[tuffers#1]

Hurlock went to our school.
He was a hard b————d then.

Hurlock was a puS-sY ,
I was in his pub the night he got done over by a couple of local brothers
Who knocked seven bells out of him , for running his mouth about the place.

Now his best mate & Pub Bouncer was a different matter all together.

Hurlocks old man was a bit of a boy way back when ,
But Terry Hurlock Hard

[gshaw]

Seems to be the moaners just want everything to be simple- players in a formation they understand, a club structure they understand, players only allowed to pass forwards and a shouty old manager and none of this tactics stuff.

That post could've been lifted straight out of 2017-era Davis times. Funny enough T&T went out and hired someone with a proven track record for the level we were at and he... oh yeah kept things simple, in a formation the players understood and... won a title.

Go on Orient prove me wrong and kick seven bells out of Southend on Tuesday night, if they can't get motivated for that game then there's something amiss.

Oh, you're bloody going to set gshaw off on that now Bera!

You're wrong, too. You're just using recency bias to think we're alone in this. You make it sound like we've always had shrinking violets running the show, and that just isn't true.

You called?

The only time I remember hearing opposition saying what a dirty side we were was in the NL title season. Loved it.

Closest other comparison I can think of was the Hicks / Smith / Clark defence that had the league record for yellow and red cards if I remember rightly?

[tuffers#1]

Seems to be the moaners just want everything to be simple- players in a formation they understand, a club structure they understand, players only allowed to pass forwards and a shouty old manager and none of this tactics stuff.

That post could've been lifted straight out of 2017-era Davis times. Funny enough T&T went out and hired someone with a proven track record for the level we were at and he... oh yeah kept things simple, in a formation the players understood and... won a title.

Go on Orient prove me wrong and kick seven bells out of Southend on Tuesday night, if they can't get motivated for that game then there's something amiss.

Oh, you're bloody going to set gshaw off on that now Bera!

You're wrong, too. You're just using recency bias to think we're alone in this. You make it sound like we've always had shrinking violets running the show, and that just isn't true.

You called?

The only time I remember hearing opposition saying what a dirty side we were was in the NL title season. Loved it.

Closest other comparison I can think of was the Hicks / Smith / Clark defence that had the league record for yellow and red cards if I remember rightly?

This.whole thread could be transferred back to 2016
When someone claimed we wouldnt be able to sell.the
Club even for a single £1

[Cheshunto]

We do have some strange 'supporters', dont we

I guess that every club has them to be honest.
A lot of my mates are Spurs fans and they are moaning how Mourinho has got them playing a boring style of football , but they’re 5th in the Premier League and could easily win a cup this season, something they haven’t done for years
There’s just no pleasing some people.

[Long slender neck]

Seems to be the moaners just want everything to be simple- players in a formation they understand, a club structure they understand, players only allowed to pass forwards and a shouty old manager and none of this tactics stuff.

That post could've been lifted straight out of 2017-era Davis times. Funny enough T&T went out and hired someone with a proven track record for the level we were at and he... oh yeah kept things simple, in a formation the players understood and... won a title.

Go on Orient prove me wrong and kick seven bells out of Southend on Tuesday night, if they can't get motivated for that game then there's something amiss.

Oh, you're bloody going to set gshaw off on that now Bera!

You're wrong, too. You're just using recency bias to think we're alone in this. You make it sound like we've always had shrinking violets running the show, and that just isn't true.

You called?

The only time I remember hearing opposition saying what a dirty side we were was in the NL title season. Loved it.

Closest other comparison I can think of was the Hicks / Smith / Clark defence that had the league record for yellow and red cards if I remember rightly?

Even JE got found out towards the end of that season. We limped over the line with a 0-0 draw if you remember.

[Exiled O]

Travis and Teague have got a lot things right. Commercially the club seems well run which bearing in mind the shambles they inherited is quite an acheivement. I think their approach is to build slowly and consistently. They''re clearly both bright and enthusiastic. They're great at interacting with the supporters. Nobody gets everything right all the time and personally I wouldn't have Ling as DOF. However, they have to be allowed some leeway bearing in mind what they've done for the club. We've got some fine young players coming through and the core of our side is decent enough so there are grounds for optimism.

[Still wrong]

Hurlock went to our school.
He was a hard b————d then.

Hurlock was a puS-sY ,
I was in his pub the night he got done over by a couple of local brothers
Who knocked seven bells out of him , for running his mouth about the place.

Now his best mate & Pub Bouncer was a different matter all together.

Hurlocks old man was a bit of a boy way back when ,
But Terry Hurlock Hard

And which pub did he run?
Just to prove it’s not one of your fairy stories.