Nigel Travis is the Problem......💩

[Stamford O]

A village somewhere is missing it's idiot

[O my gawd]

While there are people and /or players who shouldn’t be employed by Orient , to level the blame at Nigel Travis is ridiculous.
The guy along with KT saved our club and while certain things aren’t perfect we’re a mid table League 2 club doing its best to survive in what’s been a turbulent year for the whole world, let alone Football.

We have no divine right to be top of the league or beat any opposition put in front of us........some of our fans should go and support Liverpool if they want perfection or close to it.
I suspect that all is not perfect at all League 2 clubs as it is at our esteemed club, but I would rather have our owners than many others you hear about.

Thank you Cheshunt. Glad I'm not alone.
I've seen so much garbage written on here & twitter recently that goes way OTT.
It's getting personal as well Ling x 2 & now one of the clubs saviours Mr Travis. I even saw one tweet from a fellow fan where he wrote about fans DESPISING Cisse.
What absolute bo!!ocks.
It's fair to criticise, but isn't going to lengths to Despise a player a bit too strong.
If the owners were to read this, could you blame them for washing their hands of us.
Stuck in the USA because of covid, not getting to games & costing them millions in the process.
Typical of ComeyouOs to start the OP. Last time we were a 2nd tier team was 40 years ago, so the current season of underachieving is hardly a new thing is it?

[Chicken Dhansak]

The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

Yeah, I've said this before about his need for anger management therapy as I really fear for the sanity and health of whoever he lives with. But at least better for him to be lashing out on here instead of lashing out at his partner in real life.

[Exiled O]

Nigel and Kent have done a great deal for this club. Whenever I hear them interviewed they seem to have a coherent plan for the club and seem to have the best interests of the club at heart. I can understand why they want a DOF to oversee things . I wish that the DOF wasn't Ling but that's their choice. I think Embleton is a poor manager who has done a mediocre job and shows little sign of developing or improving. He persists with a system that by and large doesn't work. Our squad has weaknesses that haven't been addressed but even so, the current squad is much better than results suggest. I think that Nigel and Kent have given him a fair chance but don' t think they'd hesitate to sack him if they thought it was in the clubs interests. My feeling is that is that time is fast approaching and he'll be out of a job soon. On form we're currently the worst team in the division

[Constanza]

Ridiculous

[Long slender neck]

We do not have the worst form https://thefishy.co.uk/formtable.php?table=4

[Exiled O]

I was going by the form over the last 5 games from the BBC website. On that basis we have the worst form in the division. The link you posted shows the last 6 games and doesn't make such grim reading but it's still pretty poor.

[ComeOnYouOs]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

[Long slender neck]

Fair enough exile. It is poor, but we're still top half.

[Osmad]

I don't think Nigel will shirk tough decisions. Players all need to go to specsavers, none of them can see the opponents coming into our penalty area or close down a man about to shoot.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The Leyton Orient hierarchy and the State of Israel, this geezer, COYOS, has serious anger management issues.

Yeah, I've said this before about his need for anger management therapy as I really fear for the sanity and health of whoever he lives with. But at least better for him to be lashing out on here instead of lashing out at his partner in real life.

Now he’s a wife beater?

You absolute tool.

[O Superman]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

[ComeOnYouOs]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

[Still wrong]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

Not convinced we need a DOF.
I am sure Nigel can ask Barry and Matt Porter for advice when dealing with agents etc.
Russell Slade was a far more successful manager than Ling ever was.
Manager of the year twice.
All done without a DOF.
And please don’t bring up Lings one successful year. He had one of the top budgets in the league at that time, Russell’s was about twelfth in a higher league.

[WGC O]

Wow... what an opening post...If I were Nigel or Kent reading that I would be looking to sell tomorrow...As you say everyone is entitled to an opinion ...but to say the Nigel Travis is "the problem" is, in my opinion, insensitive, inconsiderate , thoughtless and , if I may say so , damn right rude.
In truth I'm not sure what "the problem" actually is. There is a long term plan in place - the club is ahead of that plan. It won't be a smooth ride - mistakes have been/will be made, they won't get promoted every season or even every other season. Its about time some people got real.

[Still wrong]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

Agree with the last paragraph.

[Still wrong]

Wow... what an opening post...If I were Nigel or Kent reading that I would be looking to sell tomorrow...As you say everyone is entitled to an opinion ...but to say the Nigel Travis is "the problem" is, in my opinion, insensitive, inconsiderate , thoughtless and , if I may say so , damn right rude.
In truth I'm not sure what "the problem" actually is. There is a long term plan in place - the club is ahead of that plan. It won't be a smooth ride - mistakes have been/will be made, they won't get promoted every season or even every other season. Its about time some people got real.

I don’t think buying a Football club that is losing 2 m a year will be a wise move for anybody now.

[gshaw]

It's a very fine line this one as there's no doubt T&T are the reason we still have an Orient and in the current climate especially even more so. Along with Danny Macklin I don't think you'll get a better team running the business side.

That said there is a bit of a wake-up call to be had as the footballing side does give that impression of being all a bit too cosy from the DoF through to Embleton and the coaching setup. It's just all a bit too "nice" rather than being focused on success first. We'll see definitively when player contracts end as they surely can't keep the rest of the ageing NL squad players around as coaches again.

Personally never expected anything more than mid-table mediocrity this season so as long as we stop the rot and pick up enough points to not look at the relegation battle the big opportunity is in the squad rebuild from January onwards. That's when we'll see which direction the club is aiming at.

[Adz]

Wow... what an opening post...If I were Nigel or Kent reading that I would be looking to sell tomorrow...As you say everyone is entitled to an opinion ...but to say the Nigel Travis is "the problem" is, in my opinion, insensitive, inconsiderate , thoughtless and , if I may say so , damn right rude.
In truth I'm not sure what "the problem" actually is. There is a long term plan in place - the club is ahead of that plan. It won't be a smooth ride - mistakes have been/will be made, they won't get promoted every season or even every other season. Its about time some people got real.

Wow, you're so thin skinned that a single post from a moron on a forum would have you selling up the club you love and fought tooth and nail to buy from a lunatic?

[O Superman]

When i wrote the original post, I knew Id get roasted on here, but i still wrote it because it needed saying...the conversation on this , is needed.
In fact Im surprised a few of you part agree with me.
When Harry S Truman was US President, he used to have a sign on his desk, that read " The buck Stops Here"...in other words when things are not right, its the fault of those at the very top.
Nigel has put too much trust in people who are not as good as he thinks they are....the bloke makes mistakes, he's human, and im certain hes made and is still making mistakes now.
As someone ( me) who has over 53 years following the club, has spent tens of thousands of pounds on tickets, on trains fares, on coach fares on petrol, on food, accommodation etc etc, I have every right to voice an opinion. If you dont like my opinion, thats fine, but theres no need for personal attacks on me, thats out of order.
I was right in some of my premises . i thought most of you have no ambition and just like Orient to be a mediocre fourth rate club, and I was right on that...most of you do.
I'll repeat, this conversation needed to happen, it isnt pleasant, but its needed.
Nigel saved the club ...no doubt, ..... the club was days away from being finished, but many things that have been put in place since, are poor IMO

Sorry, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that just because people don't agree with you, that they 'lack ambition' for Leyton Orient. Some of us would just be happy for us to achieve success in a steady progression rather than instantly as you seem to want. I'm sure we all remember what happened last time some moron tried to buy instant success for Leyton Orient!

Nigel and Kent have said many times that there is a plan and we are ahead of the curve at this point. Ling and Embleton may or may not be the people to keep us on track but I for one am happy to trust the owners to make the decisions.

I would certainly like us to be back in the Championshiop...and hopefully in a way that is more competitive than the last time we were there. I say again, if we were to get there and have a similar run or 12 largely bottom half finishes, you and the other more pessimistic people on here would be calling for people's heads instead of celebrating it as some sort of success.

So here's a question for you....if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners - what is your plan for getting us back into the Championship within an acceptable timeframe (for you)?

I havent said anywhere, that, to quote you......if we have the complete clearout that you suggest - i.e. DOF, Head Coach, all the backroom staff and maybe the owners..unquote.
Martin Ling MUST go, and Embleton too. The old boys network must go too, and the so called Orient way.
The club at this point now, does NOT need a DOF. Danny can run the club day to day very well, and a new football manager can run the football side

You said..."For this club to progress we need a clear out from top to bottom."

So now you are downgrading that to just the DOF and Head Coach?
Who is this mysterious Old Boys Network? it's obviously not Ling and Embleton as you have said it must go TOO...ie in addition to them.
So who is it, Matt Porter, Lindsey, Ada the kit man???

[o-no]

It's a very fine line this one as there's no doubt T&T are the reason we still have an Orient and in the current climate especially even more so. Along with Danny Macklin I don't think you'll get a better team running the business side.

That said there is a bit of a wake-up call to be had as the footballing side does give that impression of being all a bit too cosy from the DoF through to Embleton and the coaching setup. It's just all a bit too "nice" rather than being focused on success first. We'll see definitively when player contracts end as they surely can't keep the rest of the ageing NL squad players around as coaches again.

Personally never expected anything more than mid-table mediocrity this season so as long as we stop the rot and pick up enough points to not look at the relegation battle the big opportunity is in the squad rebuild from January onwards. That's when we'll see which direction the club is aiming at.

This.

We are very lucky to have T&T, and I understand the reasoning for a DoF when they first took over. However, Ling has built himself a little fiefdom of yes men who owe him, including RE, and I'm not sure any of them are ready for a step up to the next level. The Fletcher experiment has only reinforced his position as an untouchable, but I think progress (if any) on the football side will be slow and ponderous whilst ML is in charge.

[The Big Shot]

I like how we lose a few games on the spin, are 4 points off the playoffs and there is a meltdown.

[DuvB]

We do have some strange 'supporters', dont we

[Thor]

We do indeed however, we’ve actually lost 6 of the last 10 and that’s possibly why people are getting “concerned”