FAO Racists

[Dohnut]

For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

Please don't dismiss him like that. Maffy can relate to foodbank users from his experience of the Waitrose lunchtime meal deals.

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

It's this or pornhub.

What's pornhub?

A stress relief website, a bit like this place only slightly fewer c**ts.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Please don't dismiss him like that. Maffy can relate to foodbank users from his experience of the Waitrose lunchtime meal deals.

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

Because you haven't suffered racism you absolute tool.

[Still wrong]

Or just eat stuff thats on the floor in your car?

Just don’t own a car.
If you can’t afford it, don’t have it.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

How can I hate women, my mums one!?

[Max B Gold]

I take the view that, yes, of course all lives matter, but the fact is there is ingrained, systemic racism against black people, and racism as a whole will never go away until that is eradicated.

If you believe in anti-racism, you don't propagate a counter-slogan being used by racists.

I totally agree. But that’s the problem with slogans. Should I stop believing that all lives matter because some racist morons have chosen this as a slogan to propagate their views. If so, the racists have won. I am not propagating a slogan I am living a belief.

Nobody is asking you to stop believing all lives matter. All that is being asked is that you acknowledge that because of casual, organised and institutional racism life can be much harder for black people.

If you can do that the next step is to stop promoting a campaign run by racists aimed at cutting across the BLM campaign.

If you choose to continue the ALM trope then you must be a racist. Personally I don't think you are but you appear to get your kicks dabbling in semantic arguments at obsessive length. I worry about your mental health.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

I do also so maybe lets lay off ALM for a bit!

I think he should consider the language he uses and also why, maybe subconsciously, he is bent on cutting across the BLM message.

But no point arguing anymore.

[Long slender neck]

Or just eat stuff thats on the floor in your car?

Just don’t own a car.
If you can’t afford it, don’t have it.

Might need one to go to work though?

[tuffers#1]

Please don't dismiss him like that. Maffy can relate to foodbank users from his experience of the Waitrose lunchtime meal deals.

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

" You have absolutely no f*cking idea what I do, nor for how long. If you dare call me uncharitable again I’ll invite you to a face to face if you have the balls and we can discuss it man to man. That comment is outrageous and wrong so in the nicest sense, go f*** yourself. I do plenty but just don’t go around boasting about it, just quietly and unselfishly get on with it. An apology is needed but of course you won’t ".

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You dont try to hard in avoiding making things personal .

[Admin]

Please don't dismiss him like that. Maffy can relate to foodbank users from his experience of the Waitrose lunchtime meal deals.

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

The only reason it's been jumped on is that the experience you described, wasn't racism.

Do you ever wonder why all your "debates" end up with you being called out for idiocy? I'd suggest there's a common denominator somewhere.....

[Currywurst and Chips]

Exactly, frogs and krauts hating on OOLO ain't racism


It's Xenophobia

[Still wrong]

Or just eat stuff thats on the floor in your car?

Just don’t own a car.
If you can’t afford it, don’t have it.

Might need one to go to work though?

Public transport?

[Long slender neck]

What if it doesnt go where you need to go?

[Max B Gold]

What if it doesnt go where you need to go?

TAXI !!

[Currywurst and Chips]

Until Uber gets everywhere that's not a viable option

[Oiram]

f*** the poor and fat to be precise. Him and his pal Sid were having a right old gammon fest about how fat and poor people were lording it up at foodbanks, turning up in Bentleys, smoking big old Havana’s whilst bags of food were literally being forklifted into their motors.

Well something along those lines anyway. I may we’ll be exaggerating slightly but you get the gist

Turning up in Bentley’s at a food bank?

I think that is rubbish.

A church near the ground has a food bank that gives food to those in need on Thursdays.

People queue humbly and take a parcel away, been going on about a year. Never seen any obvious abuse of it. Also , a Mosque not far from the ground offers a hot meal , I think most evening . Again, not seen anyone taking advantage. No vetting , all welcome. Have seen cars pulling up and taking meals away but no flash cars. There are various types of food banks all with different modes of operation.

If you go up to the Strand opposite Charing Cross, there and numerous ‘soup kitchens’ every night of the week in winter operating. They offer more than soup these days, a nutritious meal. Many operate individually from churches and charities around London. Many are uncoordinated. They all have well meaning volunteers.
The Strand has obviously become a magnet accordingly for the needy to congregate.

The Night Shelters run by the coordinated churches operate now and provide shelter until about March. They provide additional support, advice, medical attention and mental health support.

Surely if you can run a car you can afford a meal.

They are probably picking up for others. Not me by the way,

[Beradogs]

Wow. There are a lot of people here that have admitted they have never experienced racism but at the same time seen to think it’s everywhere. How would you know if you have never experienced it? Or are you just being offended for the sake of it. Surely not, the left being offended. Who would have thought it!

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Wow. There are a lot of people here that have admitted they have never experienced racism but at the same time seen to think it’s everywhere. How would you know if you have never experienced it? Or are you just being offended for the sake of it. Surely not, the left being offended. Who would have thought it!

Yeah, you’re right, racism never happens

[PoliticOs]

Wow. There are a lot of people here that have admitted they have never experienced racism but at the same time seen to think it’s everywhere. How would you know if you have never experienced it? Or are you just being offended for the sake of it. Surely not, the left being offended. Who would have thought it!

You're not interested in knowing though, Beradogs. If, even in 2020 you're saying 'how do you know?!' then you're choosing to actively ignore the millions of people that have spoken about their personal experience because either a) you're really not listening, in which case don't comment and go and listen or b) and much more likely, you know but don't care or do wish to minimise it.

[Max B Gold]

Wow. There are a lot of people here that have admitted they have never experienced racism but at the same time seen to think it’s everywhere. How would you know if you have never experienced it? Or are you just being offended for the sake of it. Surely not, the left being offended. Who would have thought it!

You always fail to cover yourself in glory when this subject comes up. Why is that ?

I know you like to ovedo the far right rhetoric for a so called WUM but you need to have a think about your input on this subject. Its not a good look.

Lucky for you I'm not the Chief of Admin because I would ban you.

[Dohnut]

For the record, I’ve worked with the CAB in assisting people in getting food from foodbanks and the process of applying etc is lengthy and for the applicant pretty dehumanising in terms of the checks they have to go through. And almost all of those applying that I dealt with didn’t want to be there. They were embarrassed and ashamed at their situation.

And yet maffy and his ilk know different.

The real problem here Admin is that you perhaps think you are the only person to have got involved in this. Believe me you are not. The name fxxx the poor I find hugely offensive. Hugely offensive. Not too mention totally wrong on so many levels.

There was an organisation involved in setting up food banks, their corporate mantra was to create as many food banks as possible. A goal I felt was wrong.

They had a change at the top and the new goal was to eradicate the need for food banks. Correct.

Their goal today, I have no idea.

Food banks exist, there should not be a need at all in our country and that they exist is a national disgrace. But for an organisation having a goal of expansion, like Starbucks opening coffee shops, is wrong. For sure open them where a need is identified but put efforts into eradicating the need.

As for an approval process. Totally agree, dehumanising is an appropriate word. The other side of the coin was that in the early days of food banks it was often sufficient for people to turn up and get help. A process that was abused. I know it was abused. I’ve seen it get abused. At the expense of those in genuine need. That ain’t right. Processes developed to prevent abuse. You tell me how these things should be managed! I don’t know.

When you dig deeper and look at supermarkets getting involved, even the Government getting involved I really start to struggle with whether supermarkets are genuinely concerned or just seeking an opportunity for self promotion. The ooh look at us, ain’t we good. But better they contribute, even for selfish reasons, than not contribute at all.

It’s a complex issue. One that should not exist, but it does. And one that will continue until the need has been eradicated. Eradication is the goal.

Ok - so what's the name of this organisation? Perhaps the need to create as many foodbanks as possible is in response to the ever growing need for them? Perhaps they felt driven enough to care for their fellow man and fill the gap. And eradication of the need for foodbanks isn't going to come from a private organisation - it comes from the very people you voted to run this country.

Tell me how these foodbanks were abused? Because the foodbanks I worked with had vetting processes to ensure that those with the most need got what they required as a priority. Many applicants I dealt with were working, trying to feed their families and pay rent / bills etc. From my experience of working with local authority housing for the last 30 years, those in greatest need are rarely workshy feckless layabouts.

The issue isn't that complex. In 2020, it is not too much to expect the government of the 5th(?) largest economy to provide a welfare system that ensures it's people, working or otherwise, are fed and sheltered.

All their stuff is/was on the web. As is the involvement of supermarkets and the Government. I have absolutely no interest in digging it all out again.

I think you are missing the point. I am not against the creation of food banks where there is a need, far from it. I am certainly in admiration for all those people who do their bit. Well done to them all.

But the emphasis needs to be the eradication of need. The creation of food banks to my way of thinking is an example of failure of the system, here I am talking about Government as well. If the system was better there would be no food banks needed. No food banks, that is success. 2000 food banks is not.

The focus is on improving the lives of people by eradicating the need. The growth in food banks is an indication of failure and I for one don’t rejoice in the growing numbers but accept it is a need in the country today.

Food banks are a symptom, the cause needs to be addressed. It is not being addressed and hasn’t been for the past 20 years.

Ask yourself this. If there was no risk of abuse, why have a voucher system, why assess need. Just let people go to a food bank and take what they want. We all live in the real world, we all know there exists people who will abuse whatever system is in place.

[Dohnut]

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

" You have absolutely no f*cking idea what I do, nor for how long. If you dare call me uncharitable again I’ll invite you to a face to face if you have the balls and we can discuss it man to man. That comment is outrageous and wrong so in the nicest sense, go f*** yourself. I do plenty but just don’t go around boasting about it, just quietly and unselfishly get on with it. An apology is needed but of course you won’t ".

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You dont try to hard in avoiding making things personal .

I have absolutely no idea what brought about this post is about or to whom it is intended.

[Max B Gold]

Just out of very little interest can i ask what the cause is?

You seem more focused on stemming abuse of the food bank operations than you are in supporting them. Its the deserving poor versus undeserving fly men who steal from the poor. The real answer is to deal with the "causes" and ignore the deflection.

[Dohnut]

Don’t forget his suffering at the hands of those racist Europeans.

#jesuisdohnut

This is the problem. I tried hard to avoid this becoming personal. But in response to a genuine question from PoliticO, whom I see as one of the few boarders willing to debate, I reluctantly answered. In the full knowledge that some would jump on it and use it as an opportunity to have a dig. QED.

The only reason it's been jumped on is that the experience you described, wasn't racism.

Do you ever wonder why all your "debates" end up with you being called out for idiocy? I'd suggest there's a common denominator somewhere.....

Depends on how you view racism. I have previously said I don’t see racism in terms of Black and white. Much wider than that. In the fullest meaning of the word it was. But I’ve really tried not to bring this down to a single personal and insignificant experience which is totally irrelevant.

I put forward structured arguments. My comments regarding Food banks are based on fact. I’m willing to guess my personal experience in this area is greater than most. But feel free to resort to insults.

[PoliticOs]

All their stuff is/was on the web. As is the involvement of supermarkets and the Government. I have absolutely no interest in digging it all out again.

I think you are missing the point. I am not against the creation of food banks where there is a need, far from it. I am certainly in admiration for all those people who do their bit. Well done to them all.

But the emphasis needs to be the eradication of need. The creation of food banks to my way of thinking is an example of failure of the system, here I am talking about Government as well. If the system was better there would be no food banks needed. No food banks, that is success. 2000 food banks is not.

The focus is on improving the lives of people by eradicating the need. The growth in food banks is an indication of failure and I for one don’t rejoice in the growing numbers but accept it is a need in the country today.

Food banks are a symptom, the cause needs to be addressed. It is not being addressed and hasn’t been for the past 20 years.

Ask yourself this. If there was no risk of abuse, why have a voucher system, why assess need. Just let people go to a food bank and take what they want. We all live in the real world, we all know there exists people who will abuse whatever system is in place.

Food bank use (Source: Trussell Trust) for 3 day emergency food use in 2010 was 61,000. In 2019/2020 it was 1.9million.

You've said before how 'there were food banks under Labour too!' and that IS true. However we see much more use now, so does that mean we can say things are more difficult now, or do we still have to say 'but Labour had them too!'? Or can we just say, yep, the facts speak for themselves, we don't need to play devils advocate here as one period of time clearly has more suffering than the other?

Now using that same logic, we are seeing black people going through much more than white people are when it comes to the colour of their skin, so do we really need to point out 'all lives matter', or do we accept that of course they do (like we accept Labour's governments had food banks) but that there is a much clearer and greater need on display here and thus 'but what about that?' is unnecessary and unhelpful?

Do you see my point?