need a rest

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

There isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.

Obviously you don't remember Stuart Hicks then, Ronnie.

Only after 3 pints. PSYCHO!

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Cunningham would have Chidozie would defo have. That’s just at our club.

Nowhere near.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Love seeing a bunch of old out of shape men who stuff themselves with pies most days lecturing everyone on what pro athletes should be able to do

[KC & sunshine band]

Love seeing a bunch of old out of shape men who stuff themselves with pies most days lecturing everyone on what pro athletes should be able to do

how do you know they are old
how do you know they are out of shape
how do they know they are all men
how do you know their diets
How do know they all eat pies
how do you know they lecture
you should be on the tele
lighten up stay safe snowflake

might need a rest !

[Sid Bishop]

Sid you do realise the fitter a person is
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.

Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .

You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.

There isn’t a single footballer from the last century who could keep up with Gareth Bale over a 100 yard sprint.

Link, ?
Proof of that claim ?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I’ve made the claim, you disprove it.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I refuse to enter into further discussion on this topic with any of the geriatric nostalgia crew.

You’re being ridiculous. There is no comparison between top level athletes of today and those of 50 years ago in any sport. That’s just scientific fact.

[JimbO]

As usual the truth lies somewhere in the middle of these two arguments.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

And you think they never played 2 games a week years ago ?

Sid you do realise the fitter a person is
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.

Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .

You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

[Sid Bishop]

Sid you do realise the fitter a person is
The more developed they are in muscles
The more susceptible to injury they becaome.

Over use of the body is as bad as under use ofthe body .

You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

You are an argumentative person who takes pleasure in putting down anything to do with what happened prior to your lifetime, that is how you are. Silly debate anyway which cannot be proved either way, but if you really believe that the great teams with great international players of years ago ( without you actually being present at those games to be able to make a valid comparison ) were all so unfit, drinkers smokers etc that they would have been rolled over by mediocre teams Division 2 teams like the present Leyton Orient side, then go on believing that. Stanley Mathews for just one example was an avid keep fit fanatic, non smoker and non drinker. Anyway I think differently and have the advantage of being there to actually watch and compare the players of the different teams, times and eras, I leave it at that.

[J R Hartley]

Germany & Japan both swear by it

Both lost the 2nd world war & yet
Are remarkably further ahead in the
World than here .

Maybe it is time to learn a few things from losing .

https://businessculture.org/western-eur ... n-germany/

http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ ... 10001.html

Daft analogy

You think ?

Well well theres a suprise

You mean like the labour party learning from electoral defeat time after time, after time.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

You are an argumentative person who takes pleasure in putting down anything to do with what happened prior to your lifetime, that is how you are. Silly debate anyway which cannot be proved either way, but if you really believe that the great teams with great international players of years ago ( without you actually being present at those games to be able to make a valid comparison ) were all so unfit, drinkers smokers etc that they would have been rolled over by mediocre teams Division 2 teams like the present Leyton Orient side, then go on believing that. Stanley Mathews for just one example was an avid keep fit fanatic, non smoker and non drinker. Anyway I think differently and have the advantage of being there to actually watch and compare the players of the different teams, times and eras, I leave it at that.

You're straw manning now because you know you're wrong. I haven't said anywhere that I think that great teams with great international players of years gone by would be rolled over by mediocre Division 2 (but I think you meant League Two) teams.

Someone on a previous page said it "gets on their tits" when people talk about players needing rest because in the olden days players played all season as if that was a valid reason. I'm pretty sure players also played on with or after concussions back then too, but that doesn't mean that was the right thing to do. These discussions have led from that post and you're involved in this because you also don't seem to understand that the modern game is different and are either unable to adapt your way of thinking to understand that or just stubbornly dismiss it.

[J R Hartley]

Did we ever drop Macauly Bonn for a game, thought he played non stop for us from the word go never missed a match.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport. ... -puel/amp/

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Your point is JR ?

Both Leicester and Liverpool have the luxury of other forwards, we however at this stage do not. Playing Danny in a dead rubber game is stupid to say the least

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

You are talking to a person in myself who before my injury was butchers dog fit, used to play midweek indoor 5 a side football and 11 a side on most Saturdays and Sundays. I played football regularly since around 10 years old and captained my school sides till i left school at 16 years old. When playing adult football we did pre season cross country was part of the training and went training for 3 hours sessions, twice a week after work all taken by an ex army PT instructor and he literally made you sweat blood ! Seems to be an idea on this forum that Pro Footballers of years ago were in the main out of condition, alcoholics and puffed out after making a run down the pitch, what complete nonsense. Just a couple of players I saw play live....John White of Spurs and Scotland was a Mr Perpetual, slim as a biscuit and a celebrated cross-country runner. Cliff Jones, Wales and Spurs left winger, fastest winger by far I have ever seen and could have given Gareth Bale a 5 yard start over a 100 yards sprint. Stanley Mathews, a fitness freak who played till he was 50 years old ''Matthews was a vegetarian and a teetotaler, his first drink of alcohol not coming until he sipped champagne in the locker room to celebrate leading Blackpool to the FA Cup in a match that came to be known as “The Matthews Final” for his brilliant dribbling displays'' Lastly, pitches were awful years ago, really drained your energy and the old dubbin balls were like heading a medicine ball. Greaves and Best would be even more deadly if they were around now.

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

You are an argumentative person who takes pleasure in putting down anything to do with what happened prior to your lifetime, that is how you are. Silly debate anyway which cannot be proved either way, but if you really believe that the great teams with great international players of years ago ( without you actually being present at those games to be able to make a valid comparison ) were all so unfit, drinkers smokers etc that they would have been rolled over by mediocre teams Division 2 teams like the present Leyton Orient side, then go on believing that. Stanley Mathews for just one example was an avid keep fit fanatic, non smoker and non drinker. Anyway I think differently and have the advantage of being there to actually watch and compare the players of the different teams, times and eras, I leave it at that.

Ok, let's keep it to my lifetime then.

The all conquering Liverpool team of the mid 80s would be dead on their feet after 60 minutes against us. And that's just 35 years ago, never mind the 60 or 70 years you're talking about with Stanley Matthews.

I know it's tough to take but things have moved on, and continue to do so at an even more alarming rate.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Did we ever drop Macauly Bonn for a game, thought he played non stop for us from the word go never missed a match.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport. ... -puel/amp/

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Jurgen Klopp explains why Mohamed Salah has been dropped for Liverpool vs Everton Comment

Your point is JR ?

Both Leicester and Liverpool have the luxury of other forwards, we however at this stage do not. Playing Danny in a dead rubber game is stupid to say the least

I don't know what dead rubber game means.

But this is a different argument. Yes, I believe DJ should have been given more time out earlier in the season, rather than playing the 16 games or whatever it was on the spin.

[J R Hartley]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport. ... -puel/amp/

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.u ... 72364/amp/

Jurgen Klopp explains why Mohamed Salah has been dropped for Liverpool vs Everton Comment

Your point is JR ?

Both Leicester and Liverpool have the luxury of other forwards, we however at this stage do not. Playing Danny in a dead rubber game is stupid to say the least

I don't know what dead rubber game means.

But this is a different argument. Yes, I believe DJ should have been given more time out earlier in the season, rather than playing the 16 games or whatever it was on the spin.

The game was of no Consequences, we were top of the group already qualified for next stage even if we lost. We have no midweek game this week, that would be the rest he might possibly needed

[BoniO]

I refuse to enter into further discussion on this topic with any of the geriatric nostalgia crew.

You’re being ridiculous. There is no comparison between top level athletes of today and those of 50 years ago in any sport. That’s just scientific fact.

Wise decision to back off mate. You were really showing yourself up.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Were you there playing football around those times or even at the grounds watching the players of the 60s and 70s ?
If not then hard to take your claims seriously against those who were there ( like myself ) and so be able to make any sort of valid comparisons.

That's just more nonsense from you though. You don't need to have been there to know how much the game has changed, the demands nowadays, the fact that drinking and smoking was widespread and accepted back then, that players were nowhere near as fit or muscular well built and didn't spend as much time working on their fitness as the players of today do. You don't need to have been there to know that the games are faster and more intense now and with tactics such as pressing fitness is so much more important.

Just ask yourself...since the players of today could (if they wanted) devote as much time to drinking as their counterparts could 40-50 years ago then why don't they?

Obviously forgetting about Rooneys actions.
And of course the numinous drinking and roasting sessions that has gone on.

The example of Rooney actually contradicts your point. He was pretty much finished as a top-level player by the time he was 30. Had he looked after himself better he’d still be playing for a top club like Giggs and Scholes did.

Sid - you seem to be overlooking the difference between playing 2 games a week and playing 2 games a week WELL. Most pro footballers could play 2 games a week if they had to, but the issue is performing at a high level for 2 games a week. This is pretty much impossible to do consistently. Orient have been playing Saturday-Tuesday for the last 6 weeks, which is insane. You can’t expect players to keep performing well each time over such a period.

I challenge anyone on here with the mindset of “oh footballers only train a couple of hours a day, can’t be that hard” to actually train like a footballer for a week and see how you feel then, and then decide whether you think playing twice a week is manageable.

[Sid Bishop]

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

You are an argumentative person who takes pleasure in putting down anything to do with what happened prior to your lifetime, that is how you are. Silly debate anyway which cannot be proved either way, but if you really believe that the great teams with great international players of years ago ( without you actually being present at those games to be able to make a valid comparison ) were all so unfit, drinkers smokers etc that they would have been rolled over by mediocre teams Division 2 teams like the present Leyton Orient side, then go on believing that. Stanley Mathews for just one example was an avid keep fit fanatic, non smoker and non drinker. Anyway I think differently and have the advantage of being there to actually watch and compare the players of the different teams, times and eras, I leave it at that.

Ok, let's keep it to my lifetime then.

The all conquering Liverpool team of the mid 80s would be dead on their feet after 60 minutes against us. And that's just 35 years ago, never mind the 60 or 70 years you're talking about with Stanley Matthews.

I know it's tough to take but things have moved on, and continue to do so at an even more alarming rate.

Far higher skilled players like the Liverpool of the 1980s would have been so far in front after 60 minutes against this present mediocre Os side, composed of so many Journeyman footballers, that even if your claim correct ( as hard to prove as Trumps election fraud claims ! ) that they could have eased up anyway for the last 30 minutes or so. Here is a video of Peter Thompson a great Liverpool winger of the 1960s who I saw play against the Os on 9.2.1962. Leyton Orient v Preston North End, (Div 2). He roasted us in a 2-0 win for Preston. Of course you would say that would say that Brophy is a better left winger than Peter ever was, after all, they were all smokers, alcoholics and so unfit years ago ! See this video and make your own judgement, well in my book no contest !
Peter Thompson Liverpool Legend

[Sid Bishop]

That's just more nonsense from you though. You don't need to have been there to know how much the game has changed, the demands nowadays, the fact that drinking and smoking was widespread and accepted back then, that players were nowhere near as fit or muscular well built and didn't spend as much time working on their fitness as the players of today do. You don't need to have been there to know that the games are faster and more intense now and with tactics such as pressing fitness is so much more important.

Just ask yourself...since the players of today could (if they wanted) devote as much time to drinking as their counterparts could 40-50 years ago then why don't they?

Obviously forgetting about Rooneys actions.
And of course the numinous drinking and roasting sessions that has gone on.

The example of Rooney actually contradicts your point. He was pretty much finished as a top-level player by the time he was 30. Had he looked after himself better he’d still be playing for a top club like Giggs and Scholes did.

Sid - you seem to be overlooking the difference between playing 2 games a week and playing 2 games a week WELL. Most pro footballers could play 2 games a week if they had to, but the issue is performing at a high level for 2 games a week. This is pretty much impossible to do consistently. Orient have been playing Saturday-Tuesday for the last 6 weeks, which is insane. You can’t expect players to keep performing well each time over such a period.

I challenge anyone on here with the mindset of “oh footballers only train a couple of hours a day, can’t be that hard” to actually train like a footballer for a week and see how you feel then, and then decide whether you think playing twice a week is manageable.

As to the present Os side, well fit no doubt but that has to go hand in hand with skill and that is so plainly lacking, there is no substitute for skill, end of. I would take the skill and pace of Best, Greaves, Law, Cunningham any day against the present Os back line, no contest mate.

[Beradogs]

There's no way a player could play at the top level aged 50 thesedays, so that's more evidence that proves football back then was less demanding. Your Uncle Albert "back in my day" posts discredit your own argument.

You are an argumentative person who takes pleasure in putting down anything to do with what happened prior to your lifetime, that is how you are. Silly debate anyway which cannot be proved either way, but if you really believe that the great teams with great international players of years ago ( without you actually being present at those games to be able to make a valid comparison ) were all so unfit, drinkers smokers etc that they would have been rolled over by mediocre teams Division 2 teams like the present Leyton Orient side, then go on believing that. Stanley Mathews for just one example was an avid keep fit fanatic, non smoker and non drinker. Anyway I think differently and have the advantage of being there to actually watch and compare the players of the different teams, times and eras, I leave it at that.

Ok, let's keep it to my lifetime then.

The all conquering Liverpool team of the mid 80s would be dead on their feet after 60 minutes against us. And that's just 35 years ago, never mind the 60 or 70 years you're talking about with Stanley Matthews.

I know it's tough to take but things have moved on, and continue to do so at an even more alarming rate.

Agree. Liverpool would be 7-0 up in the 59th minute though.

[tuffers#1]

Daft analogy

You think ?

Well well theres a suprise

You mean like the labour party learning from electoral defeat time after time, after time.

Yes the Labour party needs a rest every now & then

Just like the STORY PARTY did btween
1997-2010 .winning 3 elections on the spin.

Like the rhe tories did betwwen 2015 & 2019 .

Dont know why they needed 3 in 4 years !

[tuffers#1]

Did we ever drop Macauly Bonn for a game, thought he played non stop for us from the word go never missed a match.

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Jurgen Klopp explains why Mohamed Salah has been dropped for Liverpool vs Everton Comment

Your point is JR ?

Both Leicester and Liverpool have the luxury of other forwards, we however at this stage do not. Playing Danny in a dead rubber game is stupid to say the least

Thats not the point you made .

The point you made was dropping a too svorer .
Something Leicester & Liverpool both dd !!

[tuffers#1]

Peter Thompson Liverpool Legend

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Both Leicester and Liverpool have the luxury of other forwards, we however at this stage do not. Playing Danny in a dead rubber game is stupid to say the least

I don't know what dead rubber game means.

But this is a different argument. Yes, I believe DJ should have been given more time out earlier in the season, rather than playing the 16 games or whatever it was on the spin.

The game was of no Consequences, we were top of the group already qualified for next stage even if we lost. We have no midweek game this week, that would be the rest he might possibly needed

Ah, ok, I agree.

Ross should definitely have rested DJ for the Charlton game. Luckily, he did.