PutneyO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:29 pm
I'm amazed how many educated and well read people have been taken in by all this Covid propaganda
To be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.
And of course people see the truth they want to see. Hard to be truly objective. You know the sort of thing, you agree with it, then it’s true. If you don’t it’s a lie.
PutneyO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:29 pm
I'm amazed how many educated and well read people have been taken in by all this Covid propaganda
To be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.
And of course people see the truth they want to see. Hard to be truly objective. You know the sort of thing, you agree with it, then it’s true. If you don’t it’s a lie.
What is this sorcery? Philosophy from the School of w*nk?
It says the trial sample size was 43k but towards the end it says that the results were based on the first 94 people to contract Covid. That seems to indicate that the "90% effective" headline has come from a base of less than 1k people which seems a ridiculously low sample size to be making such claims on.
Not wanting to poo poo it as it's obviously really promising but questioning the sample size is a valid point when something like this needs to be nationally representative and the number of people in each demographic/age category will be small.
Maybe someone on the team was really keen to sell their Pfizer shares today.
New cases in the two week trend continue to flatline, with 20k today. So the restrictions put in place over the past month or so will hopefully soon start to be reflected with a fall in cases. Hospital admissions are starting to plateau too. Deaths are up, but we know that these figures follow the cases trend from a few weeks previously.
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm
At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm
At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.
Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm
At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.
Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.
I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.
The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 am
I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.
They do - except their numbers are usually way off the mark and don't stand up to analysis or reality. Just read and listen, the numbers are there.
Looks like it was mid September when the experts were calling for a lockdown during oct half term.
Mid September there were 1000 (and rising) hospital beds occupied by covid patients in England.
Excess deaths were 300 a week over average
The ONS reckoned 1 in 500 people had the virus
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 am
The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.
The latest information shows 39 deaths for 9th Nov, not 200. But as more deaths are registered and looking at the current trend, this is likely to reach over 200, yes.