Coronavirus

[Dohnut]

I'm amazed how many educated and well read people have been taken in by all this Covid propaganda

To be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.

And of course people see the truth they want to see. Hard to be truly objective. You know the sort of thing, you agree with it, then it’s true. If you don’t it’s a lie.

[Max B Gold]

I'm amazed how many educated and well read people have been taken in by all this Covid propaganda

To be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.

And of course people see the truth they want to see. Hard to be truly objective. You know the sort of thing, you agree with it, then it’s true. If you don’t it’s a lie.

What is this sorcery? Philosophy from the School of w*nk?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Pfizer vaccine found to be 90% effective at stopping people getting the virus

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-p ... y-12128452

It says the trial sample size was 43k but towards the end it says that the results were based on the first 94 people to contract Covid. That seems to indicate that the "90% effective" headline has come from a base of less than 1k people which seems a ridiculously low sample size to be making such claims on.

[Currywurst and Chips]

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Not wanting to poo poo it as it's obviously really promising but questioning the sample size is a valid point when something like this needs to be nationally representative and the number of people in each demographic/age category will be small.

Maybe someone on the team was really keen to sell their Pfizer shares today.

[Long slender neck]

Please dont bring playoff finals into this Van Tam.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

New cases in the two week trend continue to flatline, with 20k today. So the restrictions put in place over the past month or so will hopefully soon start to be reflected with a fall in cases. Hospital admissions are starting to plateau too. Deaths are up, but we know that these figures follow the cases trend from a few weeks previously.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

It’s almost as if we should have had a little circuit break a few weeks back.

[Long slender neck]

At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?

[Rich Tea Wellin]

At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?

Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.

[Disoriented]

Aren’t we lucky that we have a government so qualified to ignore the opinions of experts in their field.

[Long slender neck]

At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?

Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.

Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?

Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.

Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.

I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.

The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.

[faldO]

I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.

They do - except their numbers are usually way off the mark and don't stand up to analysis or reality. Just read and listen, the numbers are there.

[Long slender neck]

Looks like it was mid September when the experts were calling for a lockdown during oct half term.

Mid September there were 1000 (and rising) hospital beds occupied by covid patients in England.
Excess deaths were 300 a week over average
The ONS reckoned 1 in 500 people had the virus

[Long slender neck]

Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.

Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.

I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.

The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.

FYI

There were 20 deaths a day when they called for a lockdown
Its around 200 a day currently

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

532 yesterday.

[Long slender neck]

Announced yesterday, not occurred. See above link to spreadsheet.

[faldO]

Covid: Cancer delays 'could cause 2,000 deaths in Wales'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54808693

That's almost the same number of deaths as the total number that have died in Wales from covid-19.

[Ornchurch]

The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.

Spot on.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Announced yesterday, not occurred. See above link to spreadsheet.

So they're announcing 3-4-500 deaths per day, but there's only really 200 people dying a day? Ok, I've got it.

[Long slender neck]

They're announcing a total daily, made up of deaths that occur across a number of days, some possibly weeks ago.

[JimbO]

think that part of the reason is that until you know someone who's had it people don't take it seriously.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Announced yesterday, not occurred. See above link to spreadsheet.

So they're announcing 3-4-500 deaths per day, but there's only really 200 people dying a day? Ok, I've got it.

So it seems as if there's some sort of time lag between people dying and it being announced?

So the 200 deaths yesterday is likely to be a much, much higher number ?

[Long slender neck]

The latest information shows 39 deaths for 9th Nov, not 200. But as more deaths are registered and looking at the current trend, this is likely to reach over 200, yes.