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Re: Jews

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Chicken Dhansak wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:10 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:28 pm I never knew Jews were big in the timber trade, however it may explain the rhyming slang . Four by two ( 4x2) = Jew
You sound like a right Tilbury Dock.
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Re: Jews

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OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am Looks like this is the thread that will have some legs over the next few days. I suppose this is what happens if you elevate inadequate people to the positions of heroes (let that be a warning to you Mr Embleton)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/e ... spartanntp
Horrible. You are very grim. Really uncalled for. Just completely nasty and not even slightly comparable.
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Re: Jews

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How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up?
Same reason as all the other ones have been left up?
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Re: Jews

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:42 pm The only insect accepted as kosher in Judaism is locust.

22% of the Noble Prize winners has Jewish Ancestry

Judaism is one of the three Abrahamic religions. The other two are Christianity, and Islam.

There you go, three more facts
Wasnt it a Jewish fella/scholar who helped save loads of life during the plague
By telling everyone to drink Beer & not infected water ?
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
Should 100% come down. Was stupid in the extreme. Before this Ornchurch (a bastion of wokeness) posted up 'Muslims' to, y'know, do what he does. This is exactly the same thing and I can't believe COYOS thought it appropriate or sensible.
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Re: Jews

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PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:08 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
Should 100% come down. Was stupid in the extreme. Before this Ornchurch (a bastion of wokeness) posted up 'Muslims' to, y'know, do what he does. This is exactly the same thing and I can't believe COYOS thought it appropriate or sensible.
Ok , PoliticOs, I'' ex[plain, why I put this up.
This thread was an experiment, to see if certain things, would happen....and they did, just as I thought.
I'll explain further.......I knew despite there being a Catholic, and Muslim
thread up, before I did this, as soon as anyone simply mentions "Jews", all hell breaks loose...and it did, just as i thought it would.
I genuinely want to know why things you can say about Catholics, and Muslims ( and probably any other religions), you cant say about Jews.
It just verified what i thought. I also genuinely didnt wish to hurt or offend anyones feelings, but wanted to confirm what i suspected would happen.
Can anyone tell me why you simply cannot say anything about Judaism at all, unless its complimentary, but you can say what you like about all other religions?
Just to finish.....apologies if anyone was offended, or insulted
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
If a particular post offends you, please report it.

Sorry, I'm not going to police which topics people can talk about.
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Re: Jews

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:08 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
Should 100% come down. Was stupid in the extreme. Before this Ornchurch (a bastion of wokeness) posted up 'Muslims' to, y'know, do what he does. This is exactly the same thing and I can't believe COYOS thought it appropriate or sensible.
Ok , PoliticOs, I'' ex[plain, why I put this up.
This thread was an experiment, to see if certain things, would happen....and they did, just as I thought.
I'll explain further.......I knew despite there being a Catholic, and Muslim
thread up, before I did this, as soon as anyone simply mentions "Jews", all hell breaks loose...and it did, just as i thought it would.
I genuinely want to know why things you can say about Catholics, and Muslims ( and probably any other religions), you cant say about Jews.
It just verified what i thought. I also genuinely didnt wish to hurt or offend anyones feelings, but wanted to confirm what i suspected would happen.
Can anyone tell me why you simply cannot say anything about Judaism at all, unless its complimentary, but you can say what you like about all other religions?
Just to finish.....apologies if anyone was offended, or insulted
How has hell broken loose? Has anyone been banned or warned? No.
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Re: Jews

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:08 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:58 am How is this thread being left up? If it was titled 'blacks' or 'asians', it'd be an immediate locking and ban. Poster knows full well that Jewishness is an ethnic term as well as a religious one.
Should 100% come down. Was stupid in the extreme. Before this Ornchurch (a bastion of wokeness) posted up 'Muslims' to, y'know, do what he does. This is exactly the same thing and I can't believe COYOS thought it appropriate or sensible.
Ok , PoliticOs, I'' ex[plain, why I put this up.
This thread was an experiment, to see if certain things, would happen....and they did, just as I thought.
I'll explain further.......I knew despite there being a Catholic, and Muslim
thread up, before I did this, as soon as anyone simply mentions "Jews", all hell breaks loose...and it did, just as i thought it would.
I genuinely want to know why things you can say about Catholics, and Muslims ( and probably any other religions), you cant say about Jews.
It just verified what i thought. I also genuinely didnt wish to hurt or offend anyones feelings, but wanted to confirm what i suspected would happen.
Can anyone tell me why you simply cannot say anything about Judaism at all, unless its complimentary, but you can say what you like about all other religions?
Just to finish.....apologies if anyone was offended, or insulted
The Catholic thread was naive, but I would hope was done rather out naivety than anything more sinister. The Muslim thread was done by someone who has political views I think you (and I actually) would disagree with. Some would call them ignorant. You did EXACTLY the same thread.

Whenever Jews or Judaism is mentioned here you nearly always reply and ask why they can't be criticised, or why Israel can't be criticised. Always. It makes you look like a crank and it makes you look like you have a specific problem with Jews and Judaism. I have, not so long ago, warned you of this. You nearly always take the bait and you nearly always mention Jews and Judaism. It's very obvious and I couldn't find reason to defend you in that. If you think Muslims get an easy time then you're thick.

You're being a complete idiot and I find your constant 'why can't I criticise Judaism? thing as...'at best, not doing enough to prevent antisemitism, and at worst, could be seen to accept it'.

Please stop and please seriously think about this. You need to stop.
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Re: Jews

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PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:53 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:08 pm

Should 100% come down. Was stupid in the extreme. Before this Ornchurch (a bastion of wokeness) posted up 'Muslims' to, y'know, do what he does. This is exactly the same thing and I can't believe COYOS thought it appropriate or sensible.
Ok , PoliticOs, I'' ex[plain, why I put this up.
This thread was an experiment, to see if certain things, would happen....and they did, just as I thought.
I'll explain further.......I knew despite there being a Catholic, and Muslim
thread up, before I did this, as soon as anyone simply mentions "Jews", all hell breaks loose...and it did, just as i thought it would.
I genuinely want to know why things you can say about Catholics, and Muslims ( and probably any other religions), you cant say about Jews.
It just verified what i thought. I also genuinely didnt wish to hurt or offend anyones feelings, but wanted to confirm what i suspected would happen.
Can anyone tell me why you simply cannot say anything about Judaism at all, unless its complimentary, but you can say what you like about all other religions?
Just to finish.....apologies if anyone was offended, or insulted
The Catholic thread was naive, but I would hope was done rather out naivety than anything more sinister. The Muslim thread was done by someone who has political views I think you (and I actually) would disagree with. Some would call them ignorant. You did EXACTLY the same thread.

Whenever Jews or Judaism is mentioned here you nearly always reply and ask why they can't be criticised, or why Israel can't be criticised. Always. It makes you look like a crank and it makes you look like you have a specific problem with Jews and Judaism. I have, not so long ago, warned you of this. You nearly always take the bait and you nearly always mention Jews and Judaism. It's very obvious and I couldn't find reason to defend you in that. If you think Muslims get an easy time then you're thick.

You're being a complete idiot and I find your constant 'why can't I criticise Judaism? thing as...'at best, not doing enough to prevent antisemitism, and at worst, could be seen to accept it'.

Please stop and please seriously think about this. You need to stop.
I , perhaps naively, still believe in the principle of free speech, and no one will take that from me .
How dare you try to limit what i can talk about......when that happens, we truly have arrived at fascism.
EVERYTHING, i mentioned above, were FACTS not opinions.
you need to be more tolerant, when you hold a different opinion to me , or when the FACTS dont suit your agenda
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Re: Jews

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Fascists quite rarely say please.
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Re: Jews

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Being Jewish is an ethnic identity as well as a religious one. I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. There are secular Jews. Imagine replacing the thread title with any other ethnicity. Imagine randomly posting about the demographics of South Asians or Arabs.
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:19 pm Being Jewish is an ethnic identity as well as a religious one. I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. There are secular Jews. Imagine replacing the thread title with any other ethnicity. Imagine randomly posting about the demographics of South Asians or Arabs.
It was posted in response to Ornys amusing 'Muslim' thread.
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:19 pm Being Jewish is an ethnic identity as well as a religious one. I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. There are secular Jews.
Thats something ive never got
Being brought up was a catholic i had a
Small interest in Vatican city / Rome
Bethlehem & Jerusalem , but only a small interest .

I do know a little bit about jews being enslaved by some
Other group of people & then Moses leading the way to
The promised land .

Id like to read up on it ,
Where should i start without getting to religous a view but an historic one
Only if you can ta
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Many Jews are moving to Canvey Island.
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Re: Jews

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tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:32 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:19 pm Being Jewish is an ethnic identity as well as a religious one. I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. There are secular Jews.
Thats something ive never got
Being brought up was a catholic i had a
Small interest in Vatican city / Rome
Bethlehem & Jerusalem , but only a small interest .

I do know a little bit about jews being enslaved by some
Other group of people & then Moses leading the way to
The promised land .

Id like to read up on it ,
Where should i start without getting to religous a view but an historic one
Only if you can ta
Not finished it, but Simon Schamas Story of the Jews is pretty exhaustive and well written.
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Re: Jews

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Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:11 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:32 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:19 pm Being Jewish is an ethnic identity as well as a religious one. I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. There are secular Jews.
Thats something ive never got
Being brought up was a catholic i had a
Small interest in Vatican city / Rome
Bethlehem & Jerusalem , but only a small interest .

I do know a little bit about jews being enslaved by some
Other group of people & then Moses leading the way to
The promised land .

Id like to read up on it ,
Where should i start without getting to religous a view but an historic one
Only if you can ta
Not finished it, but Simon Schamas Story of the Jews is pretty exhaustive and well written.
I watched his tv series of the same name .
It kind of left me feeling i needed more knowledge .

Im more interested in a different take to Sharma as
The last interview by the ultra conservative zionist rabbi

Suggested at why stop here when in our mind we
Can go further than just the boundaries of where we.came from.

I talked about it with my boss who ssid the.rabbi was
a very dsngerous man , which puzzled me ,
my boss explained a bit but said im only a
twice a year synagogue goer ( high holidays) &
Couldnt really go much deeper .

I do find Judaism interesting Historically .
Maybe i should talk to an Historian & see what they can
Show me , what & where to look & read .

Cheers anyway .
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Re: Jews

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PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:30 am
OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am Looks like this is the thread that will have some legs over the next few days. I suppose this is what happens if you elevate inadequate people to the positions of heroes (let that be a warning to you Mr Embleton)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/e ... spartanntp
Horrible. You are very grim. Really uncalled for. Just completely nasty and not even slightly comparable.
A long-serving, very popular Jewish member of LOFC staff was recently fired to make way for Embleton's Dad. It's comparable.
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OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:00 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:30 am
OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am Looks like this is the thread that will have some legs over the next few days. I suppose this is what happens if you elevate inadequate people to the positions of heroes (let that be a warning to you Mr Embleton)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/e ... spartanntp
Horrible. You are very grim. Really uncalled for. Just completely nasty and not even slightly comparable.
A long-serving, very popular Jewish member of LOFC staff was recently fired to make way for Embleton's Dad. It's comparable.
Are you accusing the Club of Anti Semetism ?

F*ck thats a shift in direction
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What I don’t understand is why people get so uppity when you assign character traits to ethnicity or different religions. Let’s take white brits as it’s the only thing that won’t get me banned. Lazy, sarcastic, borderline alcoholics, patriotic, animal lovers. They are not true of all brits but are true for a large number. It’s a fact. Why then, when you assign good and bad points about other races or religions does everyone have a meltdown.
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Beradogs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:06 pm What I don’t understand is why people get so uppity when you assign character traits to ethnicity or different religions. Let’s take white brits as it’s the only thing that won’t get me banned. Lazy, sarcastic, borderline alcoholics, patriotic, animal lovers. They are not true of all brits but are true for a large number. It’s a fact. Why then, when you assign good and bad points about other races or religions does everyone have a meltdown.
You havent listed the bad points .
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Re: Jews

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OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:00 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:30 am
OyinbO wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:15 am Looks like this is the thread that will have some legs over the next few days. I suppose this is what happens if you elevate inadequate people to the positions of heroes (let that be a warning to you Mr Embleton)

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/e ... spartanntp
Horrible. You are very grim. Really uncalled for. Just completely nasty and not even slightly comparable.
A long-serving, very popular Jewish member of LOFC staff was recently fired to make way for Embleton's Dad. It's comparable.
What, who and when?
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Re: Jews

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:07 pm
PoliticOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:53 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:40 pm

Ok , PoliticOs, I'' ex[plain, why I put this up.
This thread was an experiment, to see if certain things, would happen....and they did, just as I thought.
I'll explain further.......I knew despite there being a Catholic, and Muslim
thread up, before I did this, as soon as anyone simply mentions "Jews", all hell breaks loose...and it did, just as i thought it would.
I genuinely want to know why things you can say about Catholics, and Muslims ( and probably any other religions), you cant say about Jews.
It just verified what i thought. I also genuinely didnt wish to hurt or offend anyones feelings, but wanted to confirm what i suspected would happen.
Can anyone tell me why you simply cannot say anything about Judaism at all, unless its complimentary, but you can say what you like about all other religions?
Just to finish.....apologies if anyone was offended, or insulted
The Catholic thread was naive, but I would hope was done rather out naivety than anything more sinister. The Muslim thread was done by someone who has political views I think you (and I actually) would disagree with. Some would call them ignorant. You did EXACTLY the same thread.

Whenever Jews or Judaism is mentioned here you nearly always reply and ask why they can't be criticised, or why Israel can't be criticised. Always. It makes you look like a crank and it makes you look like you have a specific problem with Jews and Judaism. I have, not so long ago, warned you of this. You nearly always take the bait and you nearly always mention Jews and Judaism. It's very obvious and I couldn't find reason to defend you in that. If you think Muslims get an easy time then you're thick.

You're being a complete idiot and I find your constant 'why can't I criticise Judaism? thing as...'at best, not doing enough to prevent antisemitism, and at worst, could be seen to accept it'.

Please stop and please seriously think about this. You need to stop.
I , perhaps naively, still believe in the principle of free speech, and no one will take that from me .
How dare you try to limit what i can talk about......when that happens, we truly have arrived at fascism.
EVERYTHING, i mentioned above, were FACTS not opinions.
you need to be more tolerant, when you hold a different opinion to me , or when the FACTS dont suit your agenda
Coyos I would defend you’re right to free speech to the end however, if I may offer some perspective as I see it. You do seem to go “all in” whenever Israel or Jews are mentioned and you do come across as negative towards the country or the people.

It is a very delicate and sensitive subject matter and in future you may want to think before you post on either subject matter or consider the words you use before doing so.

I’m sure you don’t hate either, but just be aware of how it may be perceived by others.
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