More likely with 'B' teams in EFL?

[Bergen]

Dan Ashworth from PL club Brighton, believes B teams could be “back on the table” to help bail out lower division clubs with EFL clubs struggling to survive during the prolonged lockdown.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... fl-4120576

[kokomO]

Dan Ashworth from PL club Brighton, believes B teams could be “back on the table” to help bail out lower division clubs with EFL clubs struggling to survive during the prolonged lockdown.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... fl-4120576

The same Dan Ashworth who was in charge of the FA when it failed last time. How surprising
Nothing to see here just slow football news day , week , month

[EH16]

The day Orient become some big clubs B team will be the day I quit football. Not that anyone else will care.

[StillSpike]

A bit like chucking a drowning man a lifebelt made of solid iron.

[Long slender neck]

Don't understand why this would happen.

[StillSpike]

Cos its proponents believe that if they say it enough people will eventually accept the received wisdom that it'll "save" struggling clubs. Like it was meant to help England be better at tournaments etc etc.

[Eat The Rich]

Good luck with that. If this were forced on fans then fans would simply set up their own phoenix clubs in non-league as they'd feel, quite rightly, that their clubs had ceased to exist. I've got a soft spot for Spurs but I'll be damned if i'd continue to support either club if Orient was just a shell company for Spurs U23s. It'd be even worse if the partner was someone like the Arse or the Spanners. The independence of English lower league clubs is part of English football's DNA. 'B' teams will never be accepted.

[Orient_Man_And_Boy]

This idea is sooooo arrogant. The PL has only itself to blame for feeding the self-fulfilling lie that they must have so many players on their books that they feel they must have more teams at more grounds just to cover THEIR costs.

In the modern parlance, the PL can 'go do one'!

[Bergen]

Dan Ashworth from PL club Brighton, believes B teams could be “back on the table” to help bail out lower division clubs with EFL clubs struggling to survive during the prolonged lockdown.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... fl-4120576

The same Dan Ashworth who was in charge of the FA when it failed last time. How surprising
Nothing to see here just slow football news day , week , month

I think his point is that PL clubs are in a much stronger position this time as a lot of EFL clubs might need help from Premier League club to survive.

[KC & sunshine band]

anything involving B teams will have a sting in the tail

[kokomO]

Dan Ashworth from PL club Brighton, believes B teams could be “back on the table” to help bail out lower division clubs with EFL clubs struggling to survive during the prolonged lockdown.

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/f ... fl-4120576

The same Dan Ashworth who was in charge of the FA when it failed last time. How surprising
Nothing to see here just slow football news day , week , month

I think his point is that PL clubs are in a much stronger position this time as a lot of EFL clubs might need help from Premier League club to survive.

Won't happen , it failed the last time he tried it , it will fail again. Clubs may well go out of business but there will never be 'b' teams or feeder clubs in England.

[kokomO]

Also begs the question, that is never answered (because they can't) but how would having b teams in the league 'help' clubs like Leyton Orient ?

It's a load of b******s basically

[Bergen]

The same Dan Ashworth who was in charge of the FA when it failed last time. How surprising
Nothing to see here just slow football news day , week , month

I think his point is that PL clubs are in a much stronger position this time as a lot of EFL clubs might need help from Premier League club to survive.

Won't happen , it failed the last time he tried it , it will fail again. Clubs may well go out of business but there will never be 'b' teams or feeder clubs in England.

I hope you are right. Of course.

[Eat The Rich]

Also begs the question, that is never answered (because they can't) but how would having b teams in the league 'help' clubs like Leyton Orient ?

It's a load of b******s basically

I don't think they're talking about having U23s join the league (at least I don't think so). I believe they're talking about partnering with current league clubs who would become (in effect) feeder teams/B-teams. There's a number of ways it can work all the way from the the bigger club essentially buying the smaller club (or at least the club's membership of the football league) and replacing it with its own U23's all the way down to a looser arrangement where the parent club has an exclusive player loan arrangement. In some cases the larger club would take over the financial obligations of the smaller club, upgrade the facilities.etc and in others the smaller club would be completely gutted with staff laid off and players released and the smaller club only revived on match days where the bigger clubs U23s would play.

The claim being made is that given the apparent lack of financial viability of a number of league clubs the bigger clubs could ride to rescue with bundles of cash in return for the right to play their own U23 players in place of the smaller clubs actual players.

[kokomO]

Also begs the question, that is never answered (because they can't) but how would having b teams in the league 'help' clubs like Leyton Orient ?

It's a load of b******s basically

I don't think they're talking about having U23s join the league (at least I don't think so). I believe they're talking about partnering with current league clubs who would become (in effect) feeder teams/B-teams. There's a number of ways it can work all the way from the the bigger club essentially buying the smaller club (or at least the club's membership of the football league) and replacing it with its own U23's all the way down to a looser arrangement where the parent club has an exclusive player loan arrangement. In some cases the larger club would take over the financial obligations of the smaller club, upgrade the facilities.etc and in others the smaller club would be completely gutted with staff laid off and players released and the smaller club only revived on match days where the bigger clubs U23s would play.

The claim being made is that given the apparent lack of financial viability of a number of league clubs the bigger clubs could ride to rescue with bundles of cash in return for the right to play their own U23 players in place of the smaller clubs actual players.

I take onboard all your points and thank you for the detailed reply. The thing is, if Orient became a spurs b team (for example) who would support them anymore? I know 100% I wouldn’t and if it came to that - god forbid - the club would be finished in my eyes anyway. To me it would be the equivalent to them going out of business.

[LittleMate]

Also begs the question, that is never answered (because they can't) but how would having b teams in the league 'help' clubs like Leyton Orient ?

It's a load of b******s basically

I don't think they're talking about having U23s join the league (at least I don't think so). I believe they're talking about partnering with current league clubs who would become (in effect) feeder teams/B-teams. There's a number of ways it can work all the way from the the bigger club essentially buying the smaller club (or at least the club's membership of the football league) and replacing it with its own U23's all the way down to a looser arrangement where the parent club has an exclusive player loan arrangement. In some cases the larger club would take over the financial obligations of the smaller club, upgrade the facilities.etc and in others the smaller club would be completely gutted with staff laid off and players released and the smaller club only revived on match days where the bigger clubs U23s would play.

The claim being made is that given the apparent lack of financial viability of a number of league clubs the bigger clubs could ride to rescue with bundles of cash in return for the right to play their own U23 players in place of the smaller clubs actual players.

I take onboard all your points and thank you for the detailed reply. The thing is, if Orient became a spurs b team (for example) who would support them anymore? I know 100% I wouldn’t and if it came to that - god forbid - the club would be finished in my eyes anyway. To me it would be the equivalent to them going out of business.

I must see the "B" team concept differently. I could not support a team/club crammed with 11 Spurs U23's, but I'd have much less of an issue if we had our own youth system and 4/5 long term loanee's from one club and that meant more financial security. This is more how I see it because you are right in that supporters will want their existing club identities maintained.

What might happen without support is that we have a very painful version of the Setanta/ITV saga. Clubs survive by severely cutting the rate they pay to players. I'm talking £2,500 a week down to £900; £1000 to £500-£600. This could cause a lot of personal hardships and lose many decent players to the game.

Whatever happens we are in for a very different football club in the 2020's.

[Bergen]

They will never give up.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... are_btn_tw

[Omygawd]

Another arrogant Premier League pri*k.

[Bergen]

Spice Albert (twitter); "The purpose of having B Teams in the EFL Trophy is to make first teams v B teams seem normal. This is just the next step. It's the whole point of the exercise".

I think he right.

[The Mindsweep]

This will happen when the PL & EFL allow unlimited loan players to clubs. We will change from Little Leyton Orient to Little Tottenham Hotspurs.