U.S Election

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Biden knows all he has to do is let Trump do the talking. If he lets him rant there's literally a 100% chance he'll say something stupid that will damage him.

Whatever the result, it will end in controversy and in the courts.

[Ornchurch]

Do the Yanks get so wound up by our elections?

When we were the dominant global power, absolutely.

Perhaps we should take more notice of the Russian or Chinese elections then?
Oh, no point

[RedDwarf 1881]

Do the Yanks get so wound up by our elections?

When we were the dominant global power, absolutely.

Perhaps we should take more notice of the Russian or Chinese elections then?
Oh, no point

I watched an Antifa march on YouTube with them shouting “ Death to America “ if they ever got their wish we would be left with a Chinese or Russian lead world. That would be wonderful, wouldn’t it. Although I suspect we still wouldn’t be interested in their elections because we’d know the ballot would be rigged

[PoliticOs]

I watched one at a Trump rally of them saying 'kill them all', talking about immigrants. What is your point?

That isn't their wish at all. It's so frightening/illustrative how people just ignore evidence to focus on their wants.

[Currywurst and Chips]

I watched one at a Trump rally of them saying 'kill them all', talking about immigrants. What is your point?

That isn't their wish at all. It's so frightening/illustrative how people just ignore evidence to focus on their wants.

Got a link to that video?

[PoliticOs]

I do yeah.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Then post it

[RedDwarf 1881]

My point is if America losses it’s number 1 spot on the world’s stage for whatever reason, who will likely fill the void. ? Russia is the next most powerful nation in the world so I suppose it would be them or maybe China. In such a scenario do these people on the far left honestly believe this world would be a better place to live because I don’t

[PoliticOs]

But they wouldn't lose their influence overnight in that scenario, would they? America losing its spot at the top wouldn't mean we'd all have to change anything significantly at all. What do you think would change?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

My point is if America losses it’s number 1 spot on the world’s stage for whatever reason, who will likely fill the void. ? Russia is the next most powerful nation in the world so I suppose it would be them or maybe China. In such a scenario do these people on the far left honestly believe this world would be a better place to live because I don’t

Better for whom?

[Dunners]

My point is if America losses it’s number 1 spot on the world’s stage for whatever reason, who will likely fill the void. ? Russia is the next most powerful nation in the world so I suppose it would be them or maybe China. In such a scenario do these people on the far left honestly believe this world would be a better place to live because I don’t

Nobody will fill the void, because nobody can.

No other nation on earth has the combination of economic clout, financial muscle, political influence and extensive military power to keep all the nations of the world in relative check and enable long-range global supply chains. No other nation on earth has a currency which can be used globally, without being too concerned about the effects domestically. The Chinese are not as powerful as people think. They have a bit of money, but their navy doesn't even have the capability of extending beyond their first island chain. And they are about to face a crisis brought about through a collapsing demographic profile in their own population.

America only ever had two reasons to be World Police. The first was to keep the Soviet Union in check. That's done. The second was to secure their energy needs. They've now solved that and are producing a surplus amount of energy from domestic sources. They are a nation with a continental sized economy which is largely self-sufficient. What foreign trade they do need can be done through a small handful of unilateral trade deals (i.e Mexico).

So if the Americans go home (which they are) we'll revert back to the way things were before the cold war consensus, with regional super powers replacing the global super power. And that may not be pretty. We can already see nations re-calibrating their alliances (i.e. Israel and the gulf states), and regional tensions increasing across the globe (see the War thread).

All those who have previously complained about US imperialism, and have wished they'd keep out of other people's business, are about to get their wish. And it may not be pleasant.

[Mistadobalina]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

[RedDwarf 1881]

My point is if America losses it’s number 1 spot on the world’s stage for whatever reason, who will likely fill the void. ? Russia is the next most powerful nation in the world so I suppose it would be them or maybe China. In such a scenario do these people on the far left honestly believe this world would be a better place to live because I don’t

Nobody will fill the void, because nobody can.

No other nation on earth has the combination of economic clout, financial muscle, political influence and extensive military power to keep all the nations of the world in relative check and enable long-range global supply chains. No other nation on earth has a currency which can be used globally, without being too concerned about the effects domestically. The Chinese are not as powerful as people think. They have a bit of money, but their navy doesn't even have the capability of extending beyond their first island chain. And they are about to face a crisis brought about through a collapsing demographic profile in their own population.

America only ever had two reasons to be World Police. The first was to keep the Soviet Union in check. That's done. The second was to secure their energy needs. They've now solved that and are producing a surplus amount of energy from domestic sources. They are a nation with a continental sized economy which is largely self-sufficient. What foreign trade they do need can be done through a small handful of unilateral trade deals (i.e Mexico).

So if the Americans go home (which they are) we'll revert back to the way things were before the cold war consensus, with regional super powers replacing the global super power. And that may not be pretty. We can already see nations re-calibrating their alliances (i.e. Israel and the gulf states), and regional tensions increasing across the globe (see the War thread).

All those who have previously complained about US imperialism, and have wished they'd keep out of other people's business, are about to get their wish. And it may not be pleasant.

Thanks Dunners. I thought that was a good answer and you’ve made some good varied points

[RedDwarf 1881]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

Out of curiosity, who would you say is now the second most powerful nation ?

[Dunners]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

They're just not going to be dependant on exports though, unlike most western democracies and China. Their birth rate is high enough to support a consumer driven economy.

Sure, there will still be some need for international trade, but they've spent the last couple of years negotiating unilateral trade deals to wrap that up; Mexico, Canada, Japan, S Korea, Australia, the UK (if we sign it) and maybe one or two more. But that's it.

Insularity has been the trend for some time now, and there's no sign that it's going to be reversed. This isn't even a Trump thing; it would be happening whomever was president. Should a US president ever wish to revert back to a more internationalist agenda, they'd have a hard time convincing voters of the benefits.

Also, agree that Russia is a basket case. However it is still enough of a concern to keep the Baltic states awake at night, and for Poland and Germany to be glancing nervously over their shoulders. It will be interesting to see if either of those start to increase their military budgets in the next few years.

[Dunners]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

Out of curiosity, who would you say is now the second most powerful nation ?

Japan. But they're still a very distant second. Despite the post-war agreements, they've been very busy developing the deep water navy. They're also ahead of the game when it comes to planning for the end of consumer-led growth, and have been investing heavily in automation and AI.

[Mistadobalina]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

They're just not going to be dependant on exports though, unlike most western democracies and China. Their birth rate is high enough to support a consumer driven economy.

Sure, there will still be some need for international trade, but they've spent the last couple of years negotiating unilateral trade deals to wrap that up; Mexico, Canada, Japan, S Korea, Australia, the UK (if we sign it) and maybe one or two more. But that's it.

Insularity has been the trend for some time now, and there's no sign that it's going to be reversed. This isn't even a Trump thing; it would be happening whomever was president. Should a US president ever wish to revert back to a more internationalist agenda, they'd have a hard time convincing voters of the benefits.

Also, agree that Russia is a basket case. However it is still enough of a concern to keep the Baltic states awake at night, and for Poland and Germany to be glancing nervously over their shoulders. It will be interesting to see if either of those start to increase their military budgets in the next few years.

Think you're underestimating the influence that lobbyists have in Washington. Corporate America is still massively concerned with IP, export tariffs, cheap imports etc. And the rivalry with China is now bi-partisan, so there'll be a lot of manoeuvring to sew up America's position in Asia. I think it's possible that the realisation of waning influence in the developing world as Chinas grows will reengage the US, the reaction to the reforms in HK is indicative of that.

[Dunners]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

They're just not going to be dependant on exports though, unlike most western democracies and China. Their birth rate is high enough to support a consumer driven economy.

Sure, there will still be some need for international trade, but they've spent the last couple of years negotiating unilateral trade deals to wrap that up; Mexico, Canada, Japan, S Korea, Australia, the UK (if we sign it) and maybe one or two more. But that's it.

Insularity has been the trend for some time now, and there's no sign that it's going to be reversed. This isn't even a Trump thing; it would be happening whomever was president. Should a US president ever wish to revert back to a more internationalist agenda, they'd have a hard time convincing voters of the benefits.

Also, agree that Russia is a basket case. However it is still enough of a concern to keep the Baltic states awake at night, and for Poland and Germany to be glancing nervously over their shoulders. It will be interesting to see if either of those start to increase their military budgets in the next few years.

Think you're underestimating the influence that lobbyists have in Washington. Corporate America is still massively concerned with IP, export tariffs, cheap imports etc. And the rivalry with China is now bi-partisan, so there'll be a lot of manoeuvring to sew up America's position in Asia. I think it's possible that the realisation of waning influence in the developing world as Chinas grows will reengage the US, the reaction to the reforms in HK is indicative of that.

Maybe - we'll see.

I agree that there remains a strong interest within Washington for maintaining some degree of an international presence. But the cost of doing so, when weighed up against the benefit, is looking less worthwhile for many of them

But, I'm not sure hoe bi-partisan things are in regards to China. Biden's China policy looks a lot like Trunp's.

Also, there's a lot of analysis that China's period of growth is coming to a shuddering end. They're now overly reliant on exports, and will have reduced energy security.

Whatever happens, the US is not going to be the dominant global power we have all be used to. And when and where it leaves a vacuum.....

[StockholmO]

Think that overlooks the 3rd incentive, which is to secure and expand markets for exports. Their willingness to get involved abroad predates the Soviets and oil scarcity for that reason. That'll still be a big motivation for them, even if they are undoubtedly becoming more insular.

Russia is nowhere near the second most powerful nation in the world. It's not even the most powerful in Europe or Asia.

Out of curiosity, who would you say is now the second most powerful nation ?

Japan. But they're still a very distant second. Despite the post-war agreements, they've been very busy developing the deep water navy. They're also ahead of the game when it comes to planning for the end of consumer-led growth, and have been investing heavily in automation and AI.

Japan certainly has very capable armed forces and a large navy but their doctrine is entirely defensive with little ability and even less political will to project power. They’ve been under pressure from the USA to become more assertive due to Chinese expansion.

Incredibly the U.K. has been ranked as the second most powerful nation.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-rank ... or-powers/

[tuffers#1]

They're just not going to be dependant on exports though, unlike most western democracies and China. Their birth rate is high enough to support a consumer driven economy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brooki ... jects/amp/

The US will become ‘minority white’ in 2045, Census projectsYouthful minorities are the engine of future growth

Glad you brought up the high Birth rates in the U.S .

[Mistadobalina]

Out of curiosity, who would you say is now the second most powerful nation ?

Japan. But they're still a very distant second. Despite the post-war agreements, they've been very busy developing the deep water navy. They're also ahead of the game when it comes to planning for the end of consumer-led growth, and have been investing heavily in automation and AI.

Japan certainly has very capable armed forces and a large navy but their doctrine is entirely defensive with little ability and even less political will to project power. They’ve been under pressure from the USA to become more assertive due to Chinese expansion.

Incredibly the U.K. has been ranked as the second most powerful nation.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-rank ... or-powers/

Henry Jackson society is a neo con Anglosphere think-tank based in London, wouldn't place too much stock in what it has to say.

[Dunners]

Sorry to end what has been an interesting diversion, however back to the US election; Trump has tested positive for Covid.

[greyhound]

fake news

[Dunners]

Trump's poll ratings are collapsing. Anything other than a Biden win now would be incredible.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Trump's poll ratings are collapsing. Anything other than a Biden win now would be incredible.

Nice Username aint endorsed Biden yet so he's pretty much a shoe-in